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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 10, 2013 23:57:50 GMT
To be entirely fair, I have also heard similar tales of Amazon trying to enforce discounts on Marketplace sellers... though the only one that I know personally who'd had that happen was letting Amazon coordinate his warehousing and shipping for him, and they simply applied the discount without even asking the owner because it was under their oversight.
As far as Kevin's shady business dealings... I've never delved that deep into Palladium's staff's personal business, but after some of the stuff I've read from credible sources, I could believe all of that too.
My guess would be it was mutual dissatisfaction. Kevin probably didn't like Amazon tinkering with his prices and so on, and Amazon probably wasn't terribly thrilled with Kevin's business practices.
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 11, 2013 0:00:10 GMT
No. I even made it very clear when I posted it, that I had no first person accounts. It was just what I heard and for people to take it as they will.
You come back with 'nu uh. It was them!' which is the height of a 4 year old's argument.
Now you're trying to back your devastating counter of "It was the other guy" with "Cuz I've heard of it with others"
I was very very clear I had no on hand proof of the stories I heard, but yours come across as someone who just doesn't believe it, so is claiming the opposite. *Shrugs* Neither of us work there.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 11, 2013 0:07:01 GMT
And all I had said was I heard it was the "other guy"
And that it goes to show there are 2 side to any story.
You chose to interpret that as me saying that was fact.
You how ever said you were inclined to believe what you posted.
So who is projecting?
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 11, 2013 0:13:24 GMT
Thing is, I think you just made yours up. Not that it's wrong to hear other sides and trust that side. your side sounds like it was made up to refute the one I had posted. No details even when asked. *shrugs* I mean those can be made up too but there's not even any effort there.
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Post by Josh Hilden on Dec 11, 2013 0:14:19 GMT
Having worked with/for both entities I will tell you unequivocally they are both massive pains in the bum!
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 11, 2013 0:20:29 GMT
Having worked with/for both entities I will tell you unequivocally they are both massive pains in the bum! yes Josh, but only one of them can be "Evil"... and in the case of Small business v. Massive corporation most people will blame the big guy... I hate Amazon, thats why I only order from them like... 6-8 times a month... |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 11, 2013 0:25:32 GMT
Prime Member baby. lol.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 11, 2013 0:34:06 GMT
Odd man out...
I buy local or direct from manufacturer.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 11, 2013 1:03:22 GMT
Odd man out... I buy local or direct from manufacturer. not odd, maybe you live in an area that values book stores more than footlockers... Sadly in this Ghetto hell named Tampa, the local Mall has 4 footlockers... I'd rather not buy directly from Palladium until they begin to get their shit together and get books out on time, I'd hate to think the time it took someone there at the company to pack my individual order couldn't be better spent getting a book I've been waiting 6 years on to the printers... |
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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 11, 2013 1:11:14 GMT
Odd man out... I buy local or direct from manufacturer. Same here... with the exception of the stuff I import direct from Japan, I always prefer to buy from a local brick-and-mortar store or direct from the publisher. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 11, 2013 1:17:54 GMT
I'd love to buy from a brick and mortar store.
Most of the products I acquire are not sold with in 100s of miles of where I reside though. I'm a bit off the beaten path. So I'm forced to buy much online.
If I'm buying online, and I have the option to pay... $5 for a book off of Amazon, or $15, straight from the Manufacturer, being less than rich, I choose the $5 off Amazon. with prime I get free two day shipping.
If you can't get it at Walmart, or Target, I have to get it offline.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 11, 2013 1:32:21 GMT
I won't buy from the box stores either.
Local or direct.
Really in the long run its cheaper.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 11, 2013 1:48:52 GMT
I won't buy from the box stores either. Local or direct. Really in the long run its cheaper. really? how is paying more ever cheaper in the long run? I'm not meaning to sound trollish here, I just don't quite get the mentality. I drive 30-45 minutes to my favorite used book store (5 miles away mind you) to support my local businesses, and might do the same if their was a store that carried Palladium books, but sadly the last one that did stopped 10 years ago, then closed 5 years ago... so my option for Palladium is Amazon or Kevin... and I'd rather let kevin and company stay busy writing and editing books... not packing shipments for me... and since i feel Palladium's shipping is kinda high anyway... |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 11, 2013 1:51:10 GMT
Regardless of Amazon's or Kevin's right or wrong here......is there any real valid reason for there to have been such an issue sending out these PDfs?
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Post by kryptt on Dec 11, 2013 1:56:08 GMT
I love buying my dark heresy books from amazon. Thanks to my wife I've been a prime member without knowing for a long time.  Which means pretty books at discount prices. I've noticed there have been some half assed defenders trying to defend PB. No matter where I go they always seem to crawl out of the woodwork. I'm not pointing to anyone in particular. But I notice many of the "defenders" can't seem to grasp that PB fucks up a lot. Look at the latest update for RRT. I'm glad someone finally won the ace contest, but PB could have given other important info along with announcing the winner. To make things worse this is something that should have been resolved months ago. After update #116 its obvious that many people see past the BS and called Kevin on it. The truth was to much for him that now Wayne has taken over the updates. The next time Kevin himself writes an update it'll probably be to let us know the game is on hand and not before. I just wish the defenders would take off their blinders and see PB or Kevin for the BS they pull. Not everything is rainbows and unicorns. I get the feeling that the defenders are so emotionally invested in PB that they just refuse to acknowledge the fact that PB is a business and that their just as fallible as every other business. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 11, 2013 1:56:43 GMT
Palladium shipping is incredibly high. I usually end up paying +50% on top of what the book costs.
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Post by Josh Hilden on Dec 11, 2013 1:57:29 GMT
Regardless of Amazon's or Kevin's right or wrong here......is there any real valid reason for there to have been such an issue sending out these PDfs? Not really, but it's his company he can do whatever he wants. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 11, 2013 2:04:33 GMT
I think we all realize that Josh LOL...yet this thread is in its 9th page  |
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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 11, 2013 2:07:04 GMT
Palladium shipping is incredibly high. I usually end up paying +50% on top of what the book costs. Eh... that ain't that bad, if it's certified parcel post or express mail. The post office, UPS, and FedEx really have some downright obscene rates nowadays. If you want to really be outraged over the cost of shipping, give importing hobby magazines or anime art books from Japan a whirl sometime. In that arena, it ain't at all difficult to find yourself with a shipping cost three times the cost of the book or books you bought. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 11, 2013 2:07:11 GMT
I love buying my dark heresy books from amazon. Thanks to my wife I've been a prime member without knowing for a long time. Which means pretty books at discount prices. I've noticed there have been some half assed defenders trying to defend PB. No matter where I go they always seem to crawl out of the woodwork. I'm not pointing to anyone in particular. But I notice many of the "defenders" can't seem to grasp that PB fucks up a lot. Look at the latest update for RRT. I'm glad someone finally won the ace contest, but PB could have given other important info along with announcing the winner. To make things worse this is something that should have been resolved months ago. After update #116 its obvious that many people see past the BS and called Kevin on it. The truth was to much for him that now Wayne has taken over the updates. The next time Kevin himself writes an update it'll probably be to let us know the game is on hand and not before. I just wish the defenders would take off their blinders and see PB or Kevin for the BS they pull. Not everything is rainbows and unicorns. I get the feeling that the defenders are so emotionally invested in PB that they just refuse to acknowledge the fact that PB is a business and that their just as fallible as every other business. IN many ways you are preaching to the converted kryppt. Ther are some "defenders" though that are not that blined and will call a spade a spade when it comes to Palladium. Damian is usually one of those. They are rare but they exist. Me? I'm neither a cabal member or a defender. I am a customer then a fan. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 11, 2013 2:52:48 GMT
Palladium shipping is incredibly high. I usually end up paying +50% on top of what the book costs. Eh... that ain't that bad, if it's certified parcel post or express mail. The post office, UPS, and FedEx really have some downright obscene rates nowadays. If you want to really be outraged over the cost of shipping, give importing hobby magazines or anime art books from Japan a whirl sometime. In that arena, it ain't at all difficult to find yourself with a shipping cost three times the cost of the book or books you bought. I've shipped boxes weighing 10lbs or more to NE, for cheeper than it is to get one book from Palladium, in the same state. I consider it high, when I know, not suspect, not guess, but know, that I can ship it for less than half or a third of what they charge for shipping. "know" this because I've shipped -palladium books- to people in other states for far cheaper. |
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Post by kryptt on Dec 11, 2013 2:57:23 GMT
I hear you. It's just that when someone post about PB shenanigans someone always pips up about how PB can do no wrong. Guys I love GW but when they screw up the community lets them know. GW even closed their FB page when the community called them on their shenanigans. Its just as bad on the RRT ks comments section.
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Post by yilbber on Dec 19, 2013 22:47:27 GMT
I know palladium is full of retro savagery. Scanned or original file, every new book gets released to the public. The only reason certain books did not : The Pirates are Bored with Palladium.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 20, 2013 0:19:58 GMT
I hear you. It's just that when someone post about PB shenanigans someone always pips up about how PB can do no wrong. Guys I love GW but when they screw up the community lets them know. GW even closed their FB page when the community called them on their shenanigans. Its just as bad on the RRT ks comments section. its not that PB can do no wrong (believe me many choices they have made confuse me) its the ones that seem to preach that they can do no right that brings out the rationalist in me. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 20, 2013 4:43:06 GMT
There's a difference between thinking they can "Do no right"
And actually pointing out valid complaints and problems. (Yes, even if such complaints are pointed out repeatedly. If the complaints are not yet addressed)
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 20, 2013 5:31:37 GMT
There's a difference between thinking they can "Do no right" And actually pointing out valid complaints and problems. (Yes, even if such complaints are pointed out repeatedly. If the complaints are not yet addressed) Yes; yes there is. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 20, 2013 13:35:30 GMT
If Kevin thinks the MIs were successful for an actual book.........Imagine if he wanted to raise enough money to hire a proper business manager? Mind you I don't think anyone believes for a second he;d let them do the job on their own and not be more hands off so it's likely a pointless option anyway....
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Post by joshuagoliath on Dec 21, 2013 4:35:09 GMT
The thing is, if Kevin went and did a crowdsourcing for hiring a new employee.. I'd be completely done with the company, forever and ever.
Hiring new staff is NOT something that should be crowdsourced. Say he gets enough to pay the guy for a year. What happens after that year? Time to crowdsource again, to see if you keep paying him? Get people to donate to pay your staff? NO NO NO NO NO! What would follow is crowdsourcing for all of the employees "well folks, if we don't raise enough money through this crowdsourcing, I'm going to have to let Wayne go.... so PLEASE, DONATE!"
That, or... "I know you guys gave money for us to hire a new business manager... that was only 18 months ago, and we're looking for a good, proper one. We don't want to just settle for a so-so business manager, we want to have one that is EPIC and AWESOME for you, the fans..."
Besides, after the way the customers got treated by his crowdsourcing already? I bet he'd get a lot fewer people signing on..
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 21, 2013 5:48:46 GMT
He hasn't asked for crowdsourcing for staff in the past, but it has been made known to us he's had to lay people off at some times. It wasn't so much "Order more so I can hire them back" but... it kinda.... could have been seen that way if one was Jaded.
I'm not even sure if that was the intent but... *shrugs*
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 21, 2013 14:08:32 GMT
The only reason I even suggested it is because generally all we hear is "they need a proper business manager" "yeah they do but they can't afford one" or "yeah well are YOU going to pay for it?" etc etc.
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Which means pretty books at discount prices.
