colonel wolfe
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 3, 2013 2:01:42 GMT
Glad to see you brought the insults, name calling and overall lack of civility that is your usual method.
But I hope the name calling makes you feel good. Ill give the forum owner enough respect to ignore you from now on.
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 3, 2013 2:05:30 GMT
I didn't even care that those Macross II deckplan books weren't colour. The change of format/presentation was just....better.
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Post by 13eowulf on Dec 3, 2013 2:08:07 GMT
With all this talk of Macross, Robotech, etc. I have a question: Am I committing some form of sacrilege if I include characters from original Robotech RPG, the 2ed Ed RTRPG, and Macross II, all in the same setting, and interacting with each other?
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Post by 13eowulf on Dec 3, 2013 2:08:33 GMT
I didn't even care that those Macross II deckplan books weren't colour. The change of format/presentation was just....better. I too liked the layout of these books. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 3, 2013 2:10:04 GMT
With all this talk of Macross, Robotech, etc. I have a question: Am I committing some form of sacrilege if I include characters from original Robotech RPG, the 2ed Ed RTRPG, and Macross II, all in the same setting, and interacting with each other? Not at all. Go look at my alternate Robotech history elsewhere for an example of what I have done LOL |
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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 3, 2013 2:27:33 GMT
I will say i did like the different presentation used in the old macross II deck plans books.... Yeah, that was a very tight, very efficient presentation of the material that also offered something in the way of aesthetic appeal. Of course, we have to take it with a bit of context in that the Deck Plans books for the Macross II RPG didn't have to include more than the most basic rules. Less crunch meant less clutter in the layout, which enabled Dream Pod 9 to present a more visually pleasing book with less difficulty. It's a damn sight harder to take a fifty-odd page section that contains the basic game rules and present it in a fashion that is both easy to use and visually appealing. I like a nice, centralized rules section so that the individual stats sheets for mecha and so on are kept short and sweet... having to restate every weapon special rule in every entry (like the particle cannons knockdown effect) just feels like padding things to me. This may just be my tabletop games bias speaking, though. With all this talk of Macross, Robotech, etc. I have a question: Am I committing some form of sacrilege if I include characters from original Robotech RPG, the 2ed Ed RTRPG, and Macross II, all in the same setting, and interacting with each other? Depends what your audience is. You'll find parties on both sides of the proverbial divide who have a massive, unreasonable hate-on for the other side, but most folks won't give a damn... especially since Palladium's game system is already multiversal anyway. (I do imagine it might be a bit odd to explain how characters from Macross II's far future got forty-plus years into the past or vice versa though... since the "present day" for Robotech is officially 2044 and Macross II's RPG core book claims the OVA was set in 2089, though it was officially set in 2091-2092*.) * Bit of a self-indulgent Gundam joke on the creator's part there... Macross: Flashback 2012 established a "New Era" calendar starting in 2013 that was briefly flirted with and then utterly forgotten. 2091-2092 corresponds to New Era 0079-0080, fittingly, as most of Macross II's production staff were Gundam veterans from Char's Counterattack or Zeta Gundam. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 3, 2013 2:37:53 GMT
Still it is an example of a different presentation that COULD work and looked good.  |
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colonel wolfe
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 3, 2013 2:55:03 GMT
isn't it sad that some of the Best looking palladium books are by another compan. ..
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 3, 2013 2:56:02 GMT
Yeah even Manhunter had an improved presentation....and that was Myrmidon
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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 3, 2013 3:00:35 GMT
Yeah even Manhunter had an improved presentation....and that was Myrmidon And there's the real pity... that Kevin has the tools to make something more visually appealing than the present material, but he's either chosen not to or doesn't have the know-how to make it happen. Or maybe it's the legendarily messed-up editorial schedule there? Almost makes me want to start a crowdfunding project for sending Kevin to a community college class on using Publisher and so on. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 3, 2013 3:04:50 GMT
It could be he just LIKES the presentation and it IS his company so....all we can do is indicate we want newer and better.
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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 3, 2013 3:06:05 GMT
It could be he just LIKES the presentation and it IS his company so....all we can do is indicate we want newer and better. True... though from those who've worked for him in the past, and those here who have more experience with Kevin's work practices than I do, it sounds like he's VERY set in his ways and will fight any change tooth and nail. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 3, 2013 3:06:43 GMT
That too is quite possible.
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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 3, 2013 6:01:46 GMT
That too is quite possible. Indeed... the catch being that it's not actually all that work-intensive to produce with a pretty layout once you've figured out how you want it oriented. With the modern publishing tools, it's practically an exercise in drag-and-drop if you're not trying to do anything super-elaborate. The only catch is that you have to take a fair amount of time out beforehand to figure out your graphics and design some templates to plug this stuff into. He's forever missing his release targets anyway... so taking a little extra time to do that would probably go completely unnoticed if he decided to. Releasing stuff in PDF really only takes a little time to acquire the professional version of the Acrobat tool and some time to read the manual on producing secured PDF files... |
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Post by joshuagoliath on Dec 3, 2013 6:25:33 GMT
Indeed... the catch being that it's not actually all that work-intensive to produce with a pretty layout once you've figured out how you want it oriented. With the modern publishing tools, it's practically an exercise in drag-and-drop if you're not trying to do anything super-elaborate. The only catch is that you have to take a fair amount of time out beforehand to figure out your graphics and design some templates to plug this stuff into. He's forever missing his release targets anyway... so taking a little extra time to do that would probably go completely unnoticed if he decided to. Releasing stuff in PDF really only takes a little time to acquire the professional version of the Acrobat tool and some time to read the manual on producing secured PDF files... Except that this would lead to probably every book being the exact same layout, with the exact same space allocated to things... it's not like we'd get a different "fit" each time.. he'd probably do it once and say "It works, so it shall be this way until I am FORCED to change it! Because, it works, so why change?" The saddest part is that if he realized how little work it would take, and how much happier people would be.... you know, since it's ALL about the "fans" |
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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 3, 2013 21:18:23 GMT
Indeed... the catch being that it's not actually all that work-intensive to produce with a pretty layout once you've figured out how you want it oriented. With the modern publishing tools, it's practically an exercise in drag-and-drop if you're not trying to do anything super-elaborate. The only catch is that you have to take a fair amount of time out beforehand to figure out your graphics and design some templates to plug this stuff into. He's forever missing his release targets anyway... so taking a little extra time to do that would probably go completely unnoticed if he decided to. Releasing stuff in PDF really only takes a little time to acquire the professional version of the Acrobat tool and some time to read the manual on producing secured PDF files... Except that this would lead to probably every book being the exact same layout, with the exact same space allocated to things... it's not like we'd get a different "fit" each time.. he'd probably do it once and say "It works, so it shall be this way until I am FORCED to change it! Because, it works, so why change?" The saddest part is that if he realized how little work it would take, and how much happier people would be.... you know, since it's ALL about the "fans" Er... not meaning to be snide, but isn't that sort of how things already work? It's just that it's in plain, black, largely unformatted text on a plain white page. Kevin and his subordinate writers already do every stats page as an elaborate "fill in the blank" where everything is presented in the exact same format, even if the content therein doesn't conform to the same rules. A little more standardization might've saved us from idiot ball maneuvers like having some mecha in the Robotech game have single MDC values for an entire limb, while others have separate values for upper and lower limb. |
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Post by joshuagoliath on Dec 3, 2013 21:31:32 GMT
Gah!! Right in the logic circuit!! Touche, touche...
And no worries, didn't come across as snide. Came across as a damn good point!
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 6, 2013 20:49:12 GMT
3:50pm Friday Dec 6th....
Still no PDF in my box. Supposedly they were being sent out yesterday.
Anyone here have their PDF's yet?
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Post by joshuagoliath on Dec 7, 2013 4:26:55 GMT
You must have misunderstood. Due to a massive technophobia at PB, they are printing your PDF and snailmailing it....
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colonel wolfe
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 7, 2013 5:36:31 GMT
You must have misunderstood. Due to a massive technophobia at PB, they are printing your PDF and snailmailing it.... They have rar'd the files, copied them to a bunch of 3.5 inch floppy and then mailed them... |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 7, 2013 5:38:47 GMT
Apparently, as per the press release this week, they will start mailing them out over the weekend.
I would have a touch more confidence if Kevin himself hadn't said they'd go out Thursday, this week. When Thursday and Friday hit with them not going out, now saying Saturday or Sunday.
It'll get here whenever they finally get here... I know the book's good. I've seen the first part in the Prototype.... this constant unending string of delays isn't helping my feelings about the company though.
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colonel wolfe
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 7, 2013 5:40:27 GMT
yeah, someone can bake an awesome pizza... but if every order takes them 4-5 hours to make... I'll look for pizza elsewhere who can supply it at a professionals pace.
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 7, 2013 8:56:34 GMT
CANNED CHILLI!!!!!!!!
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Post by ninjabunny on Dec 7, 2013 14:04:59 GMT
BUT it's the est chilli avar!! |
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Post by Josh Hilden on Dec 7, 2013 15:18:48 GMT
What will never make sense to me is his honest belief that he won't make any significant money on PDFs ... sigh.
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Post by ninjabunny on Dec 7, 2013 16:18:15 GMT
What will never make sense to me is his honest belief that he won't make any significant money on PDFs ... sigh. because PDFs were not his idea. I mean if kev didn't think of it first it must not be a good ideal. |
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colonel wolfe
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 7, 2013 16:31:03 GMT
What will never make sense to me is his honest belief that he won't make any significant money on PDFs ... sigh. because PDFs were not his idea. I mean if kev didn't think of it first it must not be a good ideal. that attitude is unfortunately found everywhere. Tommy yune the creative director at harmony gold is the same way... Speaking if chili. ... looking like a 5hour wait for a 30minute can of chili is gonna happen too... and the kickstarter supporters aren't as understanding as most palladium customers. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 7, 2013 21:24:07 GMT
Alex has posted that they believe ebooks and stuff are a fad. *Twitch* That they can't tell if it'd be worth it to get into such things. *Twitch twitch* This was a lot time back.
Still. I think it's just their technophobia and lack of first hand knowledge. Though how you could run a BOOK company and not own a kindle or something by now is beyond me. We've got 4. 3 Kindle Fires, including the HDX I got my wife for Xmas, and one older model, pre-fire.
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Post by MacrossMike on Dec 7, 2013 22:41:13 GMT
that attitude is unfortunately found everywhere. Tommy yune the creative director at harmony gold is the same way... 'cept that, in the one case where Harmony Gold has cited that particular rationale (their refusal to make Southern Cross merch), they have solid, entirely objective evidence to suggest that that attitude is ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED. Even the one pro-Southern Cross staffer (Tom Bateman) was entirely forthright about there being absolutely no business case for making Southern Cross merch. There's just no sense in making merch for a part of the show almost everyone finds faintly revolting... to such an extent that it has been directly responsible for multiple cancellations of the Robotech series. Kevin, on the other hand, is arguing against the evidence that PDF is a viable and expanding market... as the success of other, rival companies in that arena demonstrates beyond dispute. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 7, 2013 23:59:24 GMT
Just as an aside let;s not get into a pissing match over Southern Cross guys. Call it a preemptive strike  |
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