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Post by Josh Hilden on Nov 30, 2013 18:28:07 GMT
Kevin does not like PDF's, he does not trust PDF's, he doesn't understand PDF's, and he doesn't WANT PDF's.
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Post by Lupala on Nov 30, 2013 18:47:50 GMT
Sorry to hear you got throw under the bus by Kevin. Am I surprised? No. Having heard Brents end of several of the conversations that he had with Kevin, and talking with him about them, only to hear years later Kevins "new" version....and well, Kevin has a knack of not liking anyone who dares criticize his greatness. In any way. Reminds me of the Emperors new Clothes scenario....And don't even get me started on Maryanne!
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Post by Josh Hilden on Nov 30, 2013 18:50:21 GMT
I appreciate it, but t's five years in the past. I have so many publishing and writing plates spinning at the moment that I rarely dwell on what happened. And yeah Maryann ... yeah.  |
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Post by Jaymz on Nov 30, 2013 18:52:19 GMT
Actually Josh I think Lupala was referring partly to me there....but I could be wrong LOL
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Post by Josh Hilden on Nov 30, 2013 18:54:25 GMT
Actually Josh I think Lupala was referring partly to me there....but I could be wrong LOL Well that makes more sense ... but since this world is really just my dreamscape  |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Nov 30, 2013 19:38:58 GMT
Maryann.... doesn't like me.  |
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Post by Jaymz on Nov 30, 2013 19:42:24 GMT
I don't think Maryann likes anyone who doesn't share her typically skewed view of reality.....at least that's what I've observe of her on the Palladium Forums...
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 0:08:40 GMT
Kevin does not like PDF's, he does not trust PDF's, he doesn't understand PDF's, and he doesn't WANT PDF's. When i read this... I just Imagine the Unwashed Caveman... "fire bad!, me hate Fire!, me not want Fire!" at one time the burning books was pretty common.. that didn't stop progress, and E-books are the future. Heck, George Lucas at one time didn't think DVD was a permanent format... |
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Post by Josh Hilden on Dec 1, 2013 0:10:46 GMT
Kevin does not like PDF's, he does not trust PDF's, he doesn't understand PDF's, and he doesn't WANT PDF's. When i read this... I just Imagine the Unwashed Caveman... "fire bad!, me hate Fire!, me not want Fire!" at one time the burning books was pretty common.. that didn't stop progress, and E-books are the future. Heck, George Lucas at one time didn't think DVD was a permanent format... On average for every 1 paperback bought I sell upwards of 500 eBooks on Kindle. |
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 0:57:12 GMT
On average for every 1 paperback bought I sell upwards of 500 eBooks on Kindle. conclusive proof that no one wants e-books. |
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 1, 2013 1:15:28 GMT
well there are those of us who would prefer a dead tree format.
but i do think pdf should also be an option.
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 1, 2013 1:19:57 GMT
I want both. Dead tree for at home. PDF for away from home.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 1:22:28 GMT
well there are those of us who would prefer a dead tree format. but i do think pdf should also be an option. I'm one of those people. when I'm at home, at my desk, I like to have my books to flip through to give exact quotes to know it all asshats. that said, when I'm at work in a professional setting... my tablet with some PDF's is alot easier to conceal my geeky hobby from my all to serious co-workers. |
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 1, 2013 1:33:23 GMT
well there are those of us who would prefer a dead tree format. but i do think pdf should also be an option. I'm one of those people. when I'm at home, at my desk, I like to have my books to flip through to give exact quotes to know it all asshats. that said, when I'm at work in a professional setting... my tablet with some PDF's is alot easier to conceal my geeky hobby from my all to serious co-workers. Hide it? Like its something to be ashamed of? Not me. I wear my geekdom proudly. Age of the Geek; man; age of the Geek. |
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 1:41:38 GMT
The Average age of my coworkers is 60.
most of them are retired NYPD and a few NYFD... thou one guy was big wig with AFLCIO...
so yeah, I'm not gonna drag around the books I want to flip thou at work, when I carry 200 of them on my tablet...
its just more economical as well.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 2:13:15 GMT
I remember one of the supporters for the Manga-sized robotech books who would say that the portable nature of the Manga size was the best reason to keep the book in that format... these were the people Kevin listened to early on, when the Polling data at Robotech.com said that 80% of fans wanted the 8x11 format...
I wouldn't doubt in the case of PDF's, Ebooks and POD, kevin is listening to some Luddite who has a beta-max player and 8-track... who's commie-64 can't use PDf's...
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 1, 2013 2:19:36 GMT
I find the pdfs useful in that respect...
I still dont buy them unless they are my only option though.
But in Palladiums case if they made their entire library available in PDF I would be one of the first in line to purchase them.
And I dont even own an e-reader... just my poor abused laptop (who is on its 3rd new HD).
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 1, 2013 2:29:55 GMT
I buy both PDF and hard copy of books from White Wolf, Shadowrun, and Pathfinder. So they get my money more than once.
Palladium doesn't want the money. Which is sad. I'd like to pay for Palladium PDFs. Portability and having 100s of books in your hand for the weight of one Ipad, is awesome.
I just can't fathom a company that actively refuses to make more money, if not for a moral or legal reason. Of which palladium has neither. PDF's don't hurt anyone Morally, nor are they illegal.
So Palladium is literally looking at a cash making opportunity, and saying "Nope. Not for us".
To me, that's stupid.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 2:36:53 GMT
they look back and remember when they were able to sell 200,000+ Robotech books in a 5 year period... they somehow think since they claim to be innovative in the 80's that its relevant 30 years later.
Remember, Kevin and Co said that CCG's were just a "card craze" and it was a fad... MTG's 20th anniversary has come and gone... thank god they nearly Sued WOTc into the ground, and gave the tiny RPg company a reason to start the "card craze"
I remember Maryann said that when they produced their first Magic set, WOTC sent her and Kevin each a full set of Alpha... since an GM9 Black Lotus recently sold for $27,000 Kevin should find his set.. unless Shering stole it...
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 1, 2013 2:38:05 GMT
I buy both PDF and hard copy of books from White Wolf, Shadowrun, and Pathfinder. So they get my money more than once. Palladium doesn't want the money. Which is sad. I'd like to pay for Palladium PDFs. Portability and having 100s of books in your hand for the weight of one Ipad, is awesome. I just can't fathom a company that actively refuses to make more money, if not for a moral or legal reason. Of which palladium has neither. PDF's don't hurt anyone Morally, nor are they illegal. So Palladium is literally looking at a cash making opportunity, and saying "Nope. Not for us". To me, that's stupid. while i do not agree or understand the reasoning behind them being slow to adopt pdfs we are stuck with it for the time being and dont see it changing anytime soon. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 1, 2013 2:39:46 GMT
Sadly damian, you are right.....
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 2:41:20 GMT
Sadly damian, you are right..... Sadly Damian is right, and they are losing money to the Black-market that is PDF piracy... Supply and Demand... and they won't supply. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 1, 2013 2:47:36 GMT
Which sucks, because as already pointed out, it doesn't stop people from pirating the PDFs. Those that want the PDF's still have them.
The only differences? Lower quality, and Palladium doesn't get paid.
I know many people would love to pay for the PDFs. As they largely can't, they get them for free. I'm not 'advocating' such a thing. It's just a fact.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 1, 2013 2:59:02 GMT
Agreed Sci-fi.
But mentioning that sad fact on the boards (Official; not here) only reinforces the reluctance of the company to adopt.
Do not highlight the negative (they do that enough on their own) just the positives.
I bet if we could get some hard numbers (good luck with that... competitors are not gonna part with that data easily) and show an actual cost/benefit analysis (in a respectful manner, something that seams to be lacking in some persons over there on both sides of the issue) we might be able to change some minds.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 3:13:09 GMT
On average for every 1 paperback bought I sell upwards of 500 eBooks on Kindle. @ Damian no exactly a competitor... but these numbers speak to me... |
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 1, 2013 3:35:08 GMT
On average for every 1 paperback bought I sell upwards of 500 eBooks on Kindle. @ Damian no exactly a competitor... but these numbers speak to me... They speak to me as well... But sadly... Novels are not RPGs. (I can hear that argument coming a mile off). We need RPG PDF sales numbers to do the analysis justice. Now dont get me wrong. I believe that PDFs are a viable revenue stream for the company. I think part of the problem is the way the argument for PDFs is presented leaves the impression that those who are for them are pushing for PDF only. Note how the arguments against are worded (especially alex's) it reads as if they think PDF vs Dead Tree is an either/or proposition. considering the number of pro PDF proponents have come out with the emotional response of "Physical Print is dead" I cant say I can blame them for that belief. |
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Post by Lupala on Dec 1, 2013 3:53:48 GMT
Agreed Sci-fi. But mentioning that sad fact on the boards (Official; not here) only reinforces the reluctance of the company to adopt. Do not highlight the negative (they do that enough on their own) just the positives. I bet if we could get some hard numbers (good luck with that... competitors are not gonna part with that data easily) and show an actual cost/benefit analysis (in a respectful manner, something that seams to be lacking in some persons over there on both sides of the issue) we might be able to change some minds. I hate to disagree with you.....but given his public stance, he isn't going to backtrack on his previously widespread views unless it was his idea in the first place. Only then does it seem it is okay for him to rewrite history. This guy seems to me like the classic "Cut his nose off to spite his face" type of guy. It isn't about money(or at least not any more) it is about what *he* thinks is going to sell, regardless of reality. How many art books have been published now? At the expense of other in demand books? The guy has become an egomaniac, that seems pretty clear to me. |
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 3:56:54 GMT
Nah, Kevin did reverse his stance on never doing full-sized Robotech 2nd edition. it took facts, it took statistics and it took poor sales and boycotts.
a portion of the Robotech fan base out-right refused to buy the silly gimmick comic-book format he was forcing down our throats. I was one of them, and even had about 50 names on a petition before he switched his view point.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 1, 2013 3:58:02 GMT
That said, if enough Fans said they wouldn't buy another Palladium product until they released both PDF/Ebooks and Print books... Kevin might change his mind.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 1, 2013 4:15:21 GMT
Agreed Sci-fi. But mentioning that sad fact on the boards (Official; not here) only reinforces the reluctance of the company to adopt. Do not highlight the negative (they do that enough on their own) just the positives. I bet if we could get some hard numbers (good luck with that... competitors are not gonna part with that data easily) and show an actual cost/benefit analysis (in a respectful manner, something that seams to be lacking in some persons over there on both sides of the issue) we might be able to change some minds. I hate to disagree with you.....but given his public stance, he isn't going to backtrack on his previously widespread views unless it was his idea in the first place. Only then does it seem it is okay for him to rewrite history. This guy seems to me like the classic "Cut his nose off to spite his face" type of guy. It isn't about money(or at least not any more) it is about what *he* thinks is going to sell, regardless of reality. How many art books have been published now? At the expense of other in demand books? The guy has become an egomaniac, that seems pretty clear to me. no Its still about the product with him. If he can be shown that its both cost effective and lucrative for the company to convert its entire library to both Dead Tree and PDF he will come around. But it cant be shoved down his throat like many on the Official boards are trying it. That is just going to make him dig his heels in harder. Business psychology works so much better. You dont force the change on them. You show them why the change would be good (in fact you make sure the pros far out weigh the cons) then you sit back and allow them to come to the right descision on their own. (every CEO is like this they hate change until they think it was their idea to change.) |
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