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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 12, 2013 4:10:15 GMT
Now that is not to say I believe any of those who say they will leave. They are probably blowing smoke. But basic business sense says you cannot discount their claims. and honestly if Pallidium where to look at those people that were claiming this. They would find out that that the so-called diehards who own everything, so really there just the yes-men Or at least some of the majority would be. in all likelihood. But again business sense says that for roughly every 5 that spout off one will follow through. And for every one that spouts off you have 10 that don't bother say yea or nay. And of them you may lose a similar or greater number. And of those that say they will buy one of 10 will follow through. Of those that say nothing again maybe one in ten will commit. |
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 12, 2013 4:11:57 GMT
same place you and everyone else is getting their numbers. I don't think I've put forth numbers myself. So to be clear you're just making them up to throw out there for hypothetical examples? Well that's great. What if purple monkies crawl out of their man parts? I mean if we're making stuff up... made up or not mine are based off observations of the hobby in general and palladium in specific. And probably more accurate than Kevins. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 12, 2013 4:15:44 GMT
While I wouldn't argue that yours may be more accurate than Kevin. lol
A 70% exodus if there's any change, when everyone has been demanding change for 10... 15.. 20 years in some cases, seems a bit high to me.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 12, 2013 4:20:58 GMT
While I wouldn't argue that yours may be more accurate than Kevin. lol A 70% exodus if there's any change, when everyone has been demanding change for 10... 15.. 20 years in some cases, seems a bit high to me. if anything its low. The number of posts that have said as much coupled with conversations at OHs and various cons indicates a fairly high number. Again I think most are just blowing smoke and would never follow through. |
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 12, 2013 4:24:34 GMT
lol where are you getting numbers like 70% would leave if there's any kind of change? That's just like saying 90% of them are perfectly happy with how things are? Where is the number coming from? same place you and everyone else is getting their numbers. I'm getting my Numbers from Kevin... |
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 12, 2013 4:26:06 GMT
The one thing I cannot fathom nor see any logical business reason for is the adamant refusal to do PDFs of currently in print product.
It's a classic win-win business wise.
Current fans will not flee. (And probably collect them in droves).
Folks who have been requesting them will purchase.
Newer players will give them a closer look.
Etc.
I see no logical down side here.
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Post by ninjabunny on Dec 12, 2013 4:39:48 GMT
While I wouldn't argue that yours may be more accurate than Kevin. lol A 70% exodus if there's any change, when everyone has been demanding change for 10... 15.. 20 years in some cases, seems a bit high to me. if anything its low. The number of posts that have said as much coupled with conversations at OHs and various cons indicates a fairly high number. Again I think most are just blowing smoke and would never follow through. I find my experience to be quite they opposite, most either have no clue who or what rifts or palladium is and those that do say mostly they are old or to clunky with the system. Very few say they system is good at all, the only places I hear the system praised are the forums and open houses and the last few many of the big named fans have said streamlining would be a big crowd pleaser. |
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Post by joshuagoliath on Dec 12, 2013 5:21:19 GMT
Well, they always COULD try innovation and being creative with their lines that are being left unsupported. Since games like PF, ATB, BtS, etc are just sitting there with nothing going on, and are near-dead anyways (due to a lack of support), what would be the harm in going new? Come up with whatever the hell they're going to try to solve things, and test it out with one of those settings. If people don't like it, you still have the current edition to fall back on..
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Post by kryptt on Dec 13, 2013 5:53:01 GMT
Well, they always COULD try innovation and being creative with their lines that are being left unsupported. Since games like PF, ATB, BtS, etc are just sitting there with nothing going on, and are near-dead anyways (due to a lack of support), what would be the harm in going new? Come up with whatever the hell they're going to try to solve things, and test it out with one of those settings. If people don't like it, you still have the current edition to fall back on.. That's not bad. I could see that implemented. On the plus side it would excite the PB faithful and get new folks like myself into checking out those books. Glad we can come to a consensus. |
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Post by joshuagoliath on Dec 13, 2013 7:44:58 GMT
ATB hasn't had anything done with it in ages. They could start there. A full, brand new edition, with a completely cleaned up and streamlined system. The core of the system is fine, it just needs a good spit-polish. A REAL one, not just the kind of crap they did for RUE.
Once they polish it, cut to just the rules needed to run a starter game, through in a few pre-made characters, and offer it for FREE, on the condition that people give feedback. And not just the open-house/pay tons of money people. Anyone and everyone. E-Books can now have a duration put on them (libraries do this), so make it a 30 day edition. For those who give a full critique (and I mean FULL), give them a PDF copy of the full thing. ATB isn't exactly a big name right now anyways, so it's not a loss.
This would do two things: 1) Get the ATB title back into a bit of a spotlight, and 2) Give them the ability to redo the system and get a start on the reworking.
And to be safe, they could label it as a "Middle Edition" limited run ONLY for those who participate, so the next "real" edition is after they get the feedback and adjust based on the results.
They also need to do idea contests that keeps the faithful interactive with the company.
How about "Design an NPC" contests, where they publish (on the boards) a "guideline" that the NPC needs to fit into, people are given 2 weeks, and the winner gets to name the NPC, and get their name as a credit for the character? Not talking homebrew or entire races, just NPCs using the RAW.
Or a "Design a vehicle" contest. Or any number of similar things. Inserting the persons name with the NPC doesn't cost them anything, it's one less NPC they have to come up with, people feel stoked and interactive, and the winners are even MORE stoked about the book coming out.
The catches to it are A) No playing favorites when they select the character <I think this will be difficult for some of the folks there>, B) No modifying the character to fit "the idea" that certain people may have...
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