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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 2, 2014 20:21:30 GMT
Hell even the rpg he is quoting has BatMan as a human! He came to this assumption THAT no other comic book fan has come to the conclusion and this forum seems to loaded with them. Yet amongst all this he is tryin to shove his troll mind set down our throats! If he wants to troll go else where or I will keep pulling out a flamethrower Nd burning his ass till I see the ash catch a blaze!
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Post by yilbber on Jan 3, 2014 0:56:58 GMT
... 100 batman Comics that's like how many they released this year alone!
? You realize How many times Batman Has been Retconned, In the last 13 years?
the past 60 years?
Do you even understand the philosophical argument I am making?
Why is it some random stranger Online Understands my points but ... You group of curmudgeons do not?
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Post by yilbber on Jan 3, 2014 1:04:06 GMT
11:48] * Zombie_Dogg is in a flaming discussion how batman is a mutant because of his superhuman abilities
[11:48] <Derek> I'm loving my necromancer
[11:48] <Derek> Da fuq?
[11:48] <Derek> Batman a mutant?
[11:49] <Cyphus> yes
[11:49] <Me-me> philosophically, rather than phlebotinumally
[11:49] <Me-me> I bet
[11:49] <Cyphus> his mutant power is money
[11:49] <Derek> ........
[11:49] <Me-me> i.e. he's so far from the "average" that he's technically mutated from baseline humanity
[11:49] <Zombie_Dogg> Nah. i'm referring to All the Lores on batman
11:51] <Zombie_Dogg> DC won't use Mutant labels unless you have paranormal powers
[11:51] <Zombie_Dogg> Me: Well the old Rpgs covered the heyday of Rediculous character scenes
[11:51] <Zombie_Dogg> ie 70s and 80s
[11:51] <Me-me> also spiderman, spidergirl and wolverine are Marvel characters
[11:52] <Me-me> and yeah
[11:52] <Zombie_Dogg> actually DC won't use the term Mutant AT ALL
[11:52] <Me-me> lex luthor is a mutant, so are all the evil geniuses
[11:53] <Me-me> so are all the everyone without superpowers in fact
[11:53] <Zombie_Dogg> they call all their powered characters Metahumans
[11:53] <Me-me> something interesting about marvel
[11:54] <Me-me> they have the X Gene
[11:54] <Me-me> but so often they pick a mutant and give them a different source of power anyway
[11:54] <Zombie_Dogg> x Gene, Eternals, Inhumans, ....
[11:54] <Me-me> the teleporter, what's his name? Suddenly he poofs through hell instead of just straight there?
[11:54] <Cyphus> ya cause they dont want them to show up on that crappy x- live action tv series
[11:54] <Me-me> Jean Grey isn't just a regular mutant telepath, she's got the Phoenix Force which is this totally infinite and eternal force you guys
[11:55] <Zombie_Dogg> Acutally the whole xmen legacy series is one bad acid trip
[11:55] <Cyphus> wolverine wouldnt have the skeleton i f he didnt have the healing factor
[11:55] <Me-me> I bet they're halfway to saying Quicksilver uses the Speed Force
[11:56] <Me-me> Cyphus; granted, but the point remains the same
[11:56] <Cyphus> its a cyber upgrade
[11:56] <Zombie_Dogg> Angel is now a clone of the original with regenerative and healing powers made from a Celestial planet seed
<Long time later>
[12:02] <Cyphus> ok no fuck you
[12:02] <Cyphus> you being the writers.
In short, Due to 60 years of batman writing, Batman is no longer human.
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 3, 2014 2:29:36 GMT
... 100 batman Comics that's like how many they released this year alone! ? You realize How many times Batman Has been Retconned, In the last 13 years? the past 60 years? Do you even understand the philosophical argument I am making? Why is it some random stranger Online Understands my points but ... You group of curmudgeons do not? You do realize that out side of special instances and storylines, Batman has always been 'Human'. That's his 'THING' that he's NOT a "Super POWERED Super hero" that he's a mortal man, like any other, just driven and ultra rich and the peak of human ability in many things? Sure he's got a ring of power now and then and supernatural crap happens to him now and then, but none of the origins ever have him being a mutant. You're just trolling to piss off people man. |
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 3, 2014 3:00:01 GMT
[11:49] <Me-me> philosophically, rather than phlebotinumally That guy needs to learn to use proper words. Pretty sure he was referring to "phlebotomy", which STILL would have been the wrong word, since that refers to the DRAWING OF BLOOD, not what's actually IN the blood. But hey, this is the internet. We'll just use big words to try to sound smart. I had heard of phlebotomy. I have never heard of the word he used, so I tried to look it up. My good friend Merriam-Webster has never heard of it either. Neither has our mutual friend, the Oxford English Dictionary. On top of that... Your arguments are still completely invalid. You have no basis for your argument, as has been proven again, and again, and again. He's amazing, he's awesome. He's in a category nearly all his own. By your argument, Bruce Lee is probably a mutant. As is Jackie Joyner Kersee. Or Usain Bolt. Or any of these people... recordsetter.com/trending-world-records |
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Post by yilbber on Jan 3, 2014 3:23:18 GMT
Many record holders are Mutants. They are Above the baseline of humanity. Them being born to human parents Doesn't mean anything. Mutant does not mean ' I Possess an X Gene"
In particular I bring forth those mutie body builders who have quadruceptic muscles. This is a genetic mutation. Pretty common ... in certain breeds of cows. Not humans . hence. Mutant.
If you bothered to read all the things that are attributed to batman. it's not because he's Awesome. It's because He's so far evolved the human baseline. HE IS A MUTANT.
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Post by yilbber on Jan 3, 2014 3:25:01 GMT
your level of arguing is " Duh, it says he's a human, so he's human. "{
I'm saying , Due to having so manywriters and power levels, Batman of today is nothing close to human and is infact a human mutant. In a world where superhuman geniuses are common as fleas on a dog. (if you need a list of other such mutant geniuses.. Dr ivo Dr Animo Weather Wizard ... half the flash's rogues guallery... Toyman )
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 3, 2014 3:37:43 GMT
Many record holders are Mutants. They are Above the baseline of humanity. Them being born to human parents Doesn't mean anything. Mutant does not mean ' I Possess an X Gene" In particular I bring forth those mutie body builders who have quadruceptic muscles. This is a genetic mutation. Pretty common ... in certain breeds of cows. Not humans . hence. Mutant. Since apparently, you didn't bother to read it before, I'll post this again: Mutation 1 : a significant and basic alteration : change 2 : umlaut << a : the change of a vowel (as \ü\ to \ē\ in goose, geese) that is caused by partial assimilation to a succeeding sound or that occurs as a reflex of the former presence of a succeeding sound which has been lost or altered b : a vowel resulting from such partial assimilation >> 3 a : a relatively permanent change in hereditary material involving either a physical change in chromosome relations or a biochemical change in the codons that make up genes; also : the process of producing a mutation b : an individual, strain, or trait resulting from mutation Now, we're discussing, really, definition 3. You can try arguing definition 1. Either way, he's not a fucking mutant. As to your second part up there.... how stupid are you? I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm wondering if you actually have some form of brain damage. Quadriceps (pretty sure that's what you were referring to) are a group of muscles that ALL HUMANS HAVE. They make up the bulk of a persons thighs. If you walk on your legs, you have them. In fact, if you have the leg, you have them, but in some people they don't function properly. There is NOTHING in biology 101 (or the higher levels for that matter) that would suggest having them makes a person a mutation. To think otherwise makes me wonder if you're on crack. No, I'm not being facetious. |
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 3, 2014 5:59:05 GMT
11:48] * Zombie_Dogg is in a flaming discussion how batman is a mutant because of his superhuman abilities [11:48] <Derek> I'm loving my necromancer [11:48] <Derek> Da fuq? [11:48] <Derek> Batman a mutant? [11:49] <Cyphus> yes [11:49] <Me-me> philosophically, rather than phlebotinumally [11:49] <Me-me> I bet [11:49] <Cyphus> his mutant power is money [11:49] <Derek> ........ [11:49] <Me-me> i.e. he's so far from the "average" that he's technically mutated from baseline humanity [11:49] <Zombie_Dogg> Nah. i'm referring to All the Lores on batman 11:51] <Zombie_Dogg> DC won't use Mutant labels unless you have paranormal powers [11:51] <Zombie_Dogg> Me: Well the old Rpgs covered the heyday of Rediculous character scenes [11:51] <Zombie_Dogg> ie 70s and 80s [11:51] <Me-me> also spiderman, spidergirl and wolverine are Marvel characters [11:52] <Me-me> and yeah [11:52] <Zombie_Dogg> actually DC won't use the term Mutant AT ALL [11:52] <Me-me> lex luthor is a mutant, so are all the evil geniuses [11:53] <Me-me> so are all the everyone without superpowers in fact [11:53] <Zombie_Dogg> they call all their powered characters Metahumans [11:53] <Me-me> something interesting about marvel [11:54] <Me-me> they have the X Gene [11:54] <Me-me> but so often they pick a mutant and give them a different source of power anyway [11:54] <Zombie_Dogg> x Gene, Eternals, Inhumans, .... [11:54] <Me-me> the teleporter, what's his name? Suddenly he poofs through hell instead of just straight there? [11:54] <Cyphus> ya cause they dont want them to show up on that crappy x- live action tv series [11:54] <Me-me> Jean Grey isn't just a regular mutant telepath, she's got the Phoenix Force which is this totally infinite and eternal force you guys [11:55] <Zombie_Dogg> Acutally the whole xmen legacy series is one bad acid trip [11:55] <Cyphus> wolverine wouldnt have the skeleton i f he didnt have the healing factor [11:55] <Me-me> I bet they're halfway to saying Quicksilver uses the Speed Force [11:56] <Me-me> Cyphus; granted, but the point remains the same [11:56] <Cyphus> its a cyber upgrade [11:56] <Zombie_Dogg> Angel is now a clone of the original with regenerative and healing powers made from a Celestial planet seed <Long time later> [12:02] <Cyphus> ok no fuck you [12:02] <Cyphus> you being the writers. In short, Due to 60 years of batman writing, Batman is no longer human. omg you copy pasted a chat room how cute. But just as many people here are saying your wrong. Opinion still not beating cold hard facts. Eatta dick comic knowledgless troll. |
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 3, 2014 7:01:44 GMT
[11:49] <Me-me> philosophically, rather than phlebotinumally That guy needs to learn to use proper words. Pretty sure he was referring to "phlebotomy", which STILL would have been the wrong word, since that refers to the DRAWING OF BLOOD, not what's actually IN the blood. But hey, this is the internet. We'll just use big words to try to sound smart. I had heard of phlebotomy. I have never heard of the word he used, so I tried to look it up. My good friend Merriam-Webster has never heard of it either. Neither has our mutual friend, the Oxford English Dictionary. On top of that... Your arguments are still completely invalid. You have no basis for your argument, as has been proven again, and again, and again. He's amazing, he's awesome. He's in a category nearly all his own. By your argument, Bruce Lee is probably a mutant. As is Jackie Joyner Kersee. Or Usain Bolt. Or any of these people... recordsetter.com/trending-world-recordsIt was pointed out to me that perhaps the intended word was Phlebotinum. If this is the case, I was wrong. Of course, that word isn't in any of the dictionaries either. Next time, I'll go check the urban and/or TV dictionaries. Guess that teaches me to use real dictionary sources! (Side note: I'm still ashamed of what the english language has devolved to). The essential "plot device". Handwavium, in physical form, unobtainium. Either way, the point still stands. While he's above normal, that doesn't make him a mutant. Yes, in comics, cartoons, series, and most movies, if there's a skill, item, talent, ability, etc that he needs, he has it. That's handwavium, not mutation. Poor scripting, not mutation. Your key problem is your repeated misuse of the word mutation. |
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 3, 2014 14:15:41 GMT
ok, before this REALLY gets out of hand....
All official sources (OFFICIAL) point to and say Batman is HUMAN. Not a mutant. Not a Metahuman (DC mutants). Human.
Calling him anything else is nothing but opinion. NOW, as it pertains to creating him in a game like HU, making him a mutant COULD be an option in order to accurate to official sources for his abilities and whatnot even if it is not correct in the FACT that he is not actually a mutant. However as this discussion has shown, he cannot be made via the RAW. You have to break them in some way shape or form to do the character ANY justice.
My opinion is Natural Genius along with a PhD level education and either Dedicated Martial artists or Ancient Master is the best way to do it.
I know Damian has a different opinion that is really just a variation more or less of what i think it is, so is just a different way of going about it to some degree.
Any other suggestions? If not then this discussion has reached a conclusion that you cannot make Batman by the rules and MUST break them in order to do so. You can make a Bat LIKE character but no where near the ability of batman or really any of the bat family beyond maybe a one of the Robins in the early days of being Robin.
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Post by yilbber on Jan 3, 2014 17:07:06 GMT
if you stick to one particular incarnation of batman, you can. The more you try to shoe horn the other parts, it will fail of course.
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 3, 2014 18:02:24 GMT
Just as trying to create ANY of the big name characters will fail.
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 3, 2014 18:12:42 GMT
Just as trying to create ANY of the big name characters will fail. I think you could do cap or punisher. |
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 3, 2014 18:23:10 GMT
Cap ...... maybe but I think it would still push to the absolute boundaries if you did and quite possibly cross it in some way shape or form. Punisher is just a Weapons Expert as far as I could ever tell.
Honestly I don't even see Punisher as one of the BIG ones anymore.
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 3, 2014 18:26:44 GMT
Cap ...... maybe but I think it would still push to the absolute boundaries if you did and quite possibly cross it in some way shape or form. Punisher is just a Weapons Expert as far as I could ever tell. Honestly I don't even see Punisher as one of the BIG ones anymore. good sir with all due respect eatta dick. |
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 3, 2014 18:38:18 GMT
LOL sorry but that IS my OPINION. As opposed to a FACT  So yes take that as you will, but I'll pass on the dick thanks. Just not my preference. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 3, 2014 19:00:42 GMT
Cap ...... maybe but I think it would still push to the absolute boundaries if you did and quite possibly cross it in some way shape or form. Punisher is just a Weapons Expert as far as I could ever tell. Honestly I don't even see Punisher as one of the BIG ones anymore. I always thought Punisher was highly overrated. He was just an angry guy with guns. And while hey... that works for small stuff, he was never a super hero to me. More of a thug in a costume. Why people were balls to the wall scared of him, when there were people that could blow up a building by looking at it, just never clicked for me. |
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 3, 2014 19:08:40 GMT
Cap ...... maybe but I think it would still push to the absolute boundaries if you did and quite possibly cross it in some way shape or form. Punisher is just a Weapons Expert as far as I could ever tell. Honestly I don't even see Punisher as one of the BIG ones anymore. I always thought Punisher was highly overrated. He was just an angry guy with guns. And while hey... that works for small stuff, he was never a super hero to me. More of a thug in a costume. Why people were balls to the wall scared of him, when there were people that could blow up a building by looking at it, just never clicked for me. je is definitely not a super hero he is a form anti-hero. He has a moral code even if it is a little twisted. Many villains fear him because unlike spidey or even iron man he will kill you. Many supers in marvel try to bring people to justice, Frank Castle was once a law man who saw the system he protected fail him so he took things into his own hand. His Appel was more in the anti-hero area then super hero area. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 3, 2014 19:23:57 GMT
I always thought Punisher was highly overrated. He was just an angry guy with guns. And while hey... that works for small stuff, he was never a super hero to me. More of a thug in a costume. Why people were balls to the wall scared of him, when there were people that could blow up a building by looking at it, just never clicked for me. je is definitely not a super hero he is a form anti-hero. He has a moral code even if it is a little twisted. Many villains fear him because unlike spidey or even iron man he will kill you. Many supers in marvel try to bring people to justice, Frank Castle was once a law man who saw the system he protected fail him so he took things into his own hand. His Appel was more in the anti-hero area then super hero area. Oh? I thought he was a Vietnam vet that came back with a raging case of PTSD, and went on his vigilante kick. Yeah, he is 'anti-hero'. Sort of like "Wolverine with out the claws or healing or anything". And you do kinda have a point. Even the supers that can throw trains rarely 'try' and kill people. I guess that's a bit scary, but hell I can pick up a gun. lol. *shrugs* Different strokes I guess. I never was really a fan of Wolverine either. |
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 3, 2014 19:30:25 GMT
je is definitely not a super hero he is a form anti-hero. He has a moral code even if it is a little twisted. Many villains fear him because unlike spidey or even iron man he will kill you. Many supers in marvel try to bring people to justice, Frank Castle was once a law man who saw the system he protected fail him so he took things into his own hand. His Appel was more in the anti-hero area then super hero area. Oh? I thought he was a Vietnam vet that came back with a raging case of PTSD, and went on his vigilante kick. Yeah, he is 'anti-hero'. Sort of like "Wolverine with out the claws or healing or anything". And you do kinda have a point. Even the supers that can throw trains rarely 'try' and kill people. I guess that's a bit scary, but hell I can pick up a gun. lol. *shrugs* Different strokes I guess. I never was really a fan of Wolverine either. he is a war vet in a lot of incarnations as well thanks for reminding me. Yeah he is pretty normal by all standards minus a butt load of training in demo and marksmenship. He normally ends up fighting murders and rapist which builds up to him taking on some big psycho (not super villain level) that he ends up taking out or trying to take out. |
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Post by yilbber on Jan 4, 2014 0:10:30 GMT
.. Punisher was killing angels during the Marvel Knights storyline and was able to kill anyone with his guns during the Civil war storyline. Power Creep Even happens to him.
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 4, 2014 0:24:32 GMT
Well mere mortals kill angels and demons in the TV show supernatural. Your point?
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 4, 2014 1:48:20 GMT
Well mere mortals kill angels and demons in the TV show supernatural. Your point? and very few people in the marvel U are immune to a bullet. |
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Post by yilbber on Jan 4, 2014 18:45:18 GMT
.. Punisher was killing Bullet proof characters with an uzi.
And Angels in marvel universe are nigh impossible to kill
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 4, 2014 20:29:38 GMT
They are in Supernatural as well, but if you know how to do so then they are killable.
Does Punisher? We do not know. Comics don;t exactly give you the option of delving into the hows and why's characters can do things without the reading getting EXTREMELY bored very quickly.
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 4, 2014 20:44:12 GMT
.. Punisher was killing Bullet proof characters with an uzi. And Angels in marvel universe are nigh impossible to kill you need to reread civil war and how punisher killed angels. Honestly I am thinking you are trolling because you have shown an excising lack of knowledge on comic book characters. |
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Post by yilbber on Jan 4, 2014 22:12:45 GMT
Marvel knights turned him into some hellspawn type with magical guns. ... As for Civil war... there was no excuse.
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 4, 2014 22:35:23 GMT
Like I said troll.
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Post by yilbber on Jan 4, 2014 23:14:37 GMT
... Punisher just walks into a room full of spiderman villains and kills them all. Now it turns out "Oh they weren't killed, Baron Zermo just teleported them into his other dimensional prison" was added on as a hack.
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So yes take that as you will, but I'll pass on the dick thanks. Just not my preference.