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Post by Jaymz on Dec 9, 2013 0:26:32 GMT
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 17, 2013 2:24:07 GMT
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 17, 2013 21:40:21 GMT
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 18, 2014 3:58:48 GMT
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 21, 2014 15:17:53 GMT
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Post by kryptt on Feb 28, 2014 17:25:25 GMT
Can we include a vf-19 in our game? I love that design!
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 28, 2014 17:39:36 GMT
LOL........ no.
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Post by kryptt on Feb 28, 2014 18:28:03 GMT
Shucks
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 1, 2014 1:34:18 GMT
Can we include a vf-19 in our game? I love that design! With accurate stats? Talk about a game-breaker in any Palladium Robotech game... its rear-facing beam cannon has about seven times the stopping power of the Alpha's GUNPOD for pete's sake.  |
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Post by Jaymz on Mar 1, 2014 2:07:28 GMT
LOL
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Post by kryptt on Mar 1, 2014 3:48:40 GMT
Man I wish I was up to speed on these things.
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Post by Jaymz on Mar 1, 2014 4:50:48 GMT
Well, I go off spec for Robotech Kryppt so the rear facing beam gun (head laser) isn't reflected as such in my stats.
If/When I do Mospeada as it's own stuff separate from Robotech THEN you;ll see some major differences
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 1, 2014 19:19:10 GMT
Man I wish I was up to speed on these things. Well, you have to remember that Palladium has always chosen its Mega-Damage numbers arbitrarily... there's no reflection of actual damage potential in the Robotech stats, or any one of their other game lines for that matter. Somehow, they think a railgun with barely more stopping power than a World War II anti-aircraft machine gun (70kJ) is roughly comparable in deadly force to a rotary cannon that makes the 203kJ anti-tank cannon on the A-10A look like an airsoft gun by comparison. And I still don't know where they're getting the idea that the Gallant H90 laser hound, a pistol shown to be no more powerful than any modern 9mm and won't even penetrate a tree is a Mega-Damage weapon. jaymz scaled his Macross stats more accurately than Palladium's stuff... so a VF-19A would still be massively overpowered for the Robotech setting, though since the Palladium stats AREN'T accurately scaled the difference wouldn't be as severely game-breaking as it would if Palladium had done an accurate job. Mind you, if the Alpha and other Robotech mecha HAD been scaled properly, they'd mostly be SDC vehicles whose weapons would be marginally less effective against Macross mecha than harsh language. Harmony Gold's scaling its stats from those presented in Genesis Climber MOSPEADA... which is on a completely different (and much smaller) scale from Macross. Using accurately-scaled stats would give the Mauler ROV-20 laser machine guns on the VF-1 Valkyrie's monitor turret (its lightest weapons) approximately three times the stopping power of the Legioss/Alpha's beam gun pod (its heaviest weapon) each... so a VF-1S could have twelve times the stopping power of the EU-13 just with its four head lasers. Bear in mind, the VF-1 coaxial lasers are actually pretty wimpy by Macross standards too... coaxial guns with firepower twice that are the norm in subsequent VFs, and fighter-carried beam weapons with 150 times that level of firepower or more aren't unheard-of either. Scale a VF-19 against the written stats for an Alpha, and you'd have a real monster on your hands... one whose armor had main body MDC close to ten thousand, a gunpod doling out something like 2d6x200 per burst with two-and-a-half times the endurance of the Alpha's gunpod, that could carry more missiles than the Alpha and still have four hardpoints free for other ordinance without resorting to FAST packs... all of which are longer-ranged than the Alpha's. Never mind the fact that it's got a pinpoint barrier and layered armor on its shield for defense, and would be invisible to radar and protoculture sensors, and able to detect shadow-stealthed vehicles at distances over 50km. |
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 1, 2014 19:34:34 GMT
Oh, jaymz, it seems that we'll have far greater levels of detail than anticipated for when you stat the VF-22 Sturmvogel II... SoftBank Creative announced two new Variable Fighter Master File books recently, and one of them is going to be the VF-22.
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Post by Jaymz on Mar 1, 2014 19:37:50 GMT
Kryppt - Yeah to properly compare say MY VF-19 you'd have to only compare it to MY VF-1 for instance as I artificially kept the Alpha as a progression from the VF-1 and evolving technology in Robotech. I haven;t done any of it on it's own yet within it's own setting. At that point yeah, it'll be SDC as will Southern Cross. Even then though (my Robotech version).....It'll seriously eat an Alpha at range......... Also Kryppt...Between Macross Mecha Manual, Egan Loo's Macross Compendium, Sketchley's Statistics (mine are better vetted and accurate  to him on that  ) as well as LENGTHY discussion with Mike and a few other short discussions elsewhere.....is how I came to the stats I now have. |
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Post by Jaymz on Mar 1, 2014 19:47:36 GMT
Oh, jaymz, it seems that we'll have far greater levels of detail than anticipated for when you stat the VF-22 Sturmvogel II... SoftBank Creative announced two new Variable Fighter Master File books recently, and one of them is going to be the VF-22. Well HOT DAMN. Perfect. I was going to be doing it soon, so I'll at least have a working set of stats to adjust if/when necessary. A few of those stats i posted recently above I had to actually extrapolate and guess at some numbers (obviously as some numbers just were not in their stat files) but I think overall, with what we had discussed in the past and I have stuck too they all work well. |
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 1, 2014 19:52:07 GMT
Oh, jaymz, it seems that we'll have far greater levels of detail than anticipated for when you stat the VF-22 Sturmvogel II... SoftBank Creative announced two new Variable Fighter Master File books recently, and one of them is going to be the VF-22. Well HOT DAMN. Perfect. I was going to be doing it soon, so I'll at least have a working set of stats to adjust if/when necessary. A few of those stats i posted recently above I had to actually extrapolate and guess at some numbers (obviously as some numbers just were not in their stat files) but I think overall, with what we had discussed in the past and I have stuck too they all work well. Yep... no clue of SoftBank Creative will actually hit their release target for it though. In some ways, they're as bad as Kevin and company when it comes to estimating when they'll actually have the book ready. If you ever want to sit down and stat out the other VF-19 Excalibur variants, between Variable Fighter Master File: VF-19 Excalibur and Macross Chronicle Revised and Expanded, there's a LOT of stuff there... including, finally, an official explanation of the VF-19E and our first confirmed sample of same. |
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Post by Jaymz on Mar 1, 2014 20:17:26 GMT
Yeah I remember you mentioning that. I wish I had the knowledge/skill to help update the site. Would have made for a good use of my time the last two months beyond my wiki LOL
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Post by kryptt on Mar 2, 2014 5:09:54 GMT
Glad you'll be able to get the vf-22 stated up. I have Miria's in 1/60 and a few other frontier valks in that scale. Sometimes I still get the urge to fly them around the house but at 35yrs I really shouldn't. That's when I break out M30 and fly whatever valk I want. Thank you ps3, and the translation guide over at macross world.:-)
Oh who am I kidding I still fly play around the house making airplane noises. Much to the chagrin of my wife. When I bought them I used my kid as an excuse for buying them and posing them in his room.
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 2, 2014 23:20:13 GMT
Yeah I remember you mentioning that. I wish I had the knowledge/skill to help update the site. Would have made for a good use of my time the last two months beyond my wiki LOL Yep... I'm really looking forward to that one, since Master File has a tendency to both explain old variants in depth and give new variants. Kind of hoping it'll shed some light on Macross the Ride's VF-22HG Schwalbe Zwei and maybe offer some more depth on the VF-22's service life after Macross 7. That's when I break out M30 and fly whatever valk I want. Thank you ps3, and the translation guide over at macross world.:-) 'tis a shame that Macross 30 left out some of the more interesting ones from previous titles like the VF-3000 Crusader, the VF-5000 Star Mirage, VF-4 Lightning III, VA-110 Variable Glaug, Feios Valkyrie, VF-9 Cutlass, and VA-3 Invader. It was a bit baffling that they decided to put both the VF-X Ravens VF-22 early production type and VF-22S Sturmvogel II production type in there... but at least Macross 30 has been retroactively confirmed to be correct about its version of the VF-19E! |
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Post by kryptt on Mar 10, 2014 22:50:10 GMT
I wish those had been included. Maybe in the next game video game. By the way what about the vf-19 was confirmed? Also did anybody see Heditaki Tenjin on face off? I don't normally watch it but I was pleasantly shocked when he made his appearance on the show. I was just as shocked that his macross art was displayed for a sec. Hope HG doesn't go after sci fi ch.lol
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 11, 2014 2:41:35 GMT
I wish those had been included. Maybe in the next game video game. We can only hope... though I think they stuck with only ones that appeared in major titles for now. It looks like when they did Macross 30 they didn't want to have any character overlap if they could help it. By the way what about the vf-19 was confirmed? Oh, some stuff about the true nature of the VF-19's mass production, the VF-19E variant is finally explained, and some minor points about the origins of Basara's VF-19 Custom. Also did anybody see Heditaki Tenjin on face off? I don't normally watch it but I was pleasantly shocked when he made his appearance on the show. I was just as shocked that his macross art was displayed for a sec. Hope HG doesn't go after sci fi ch.lol Nope, I didn't see that one... but I'm glad he got some recognition over here. He really is a great guy. |
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Post by kryptt on Mar 11, 2014 3:11:17 GMT
I flipped out. I couldn't believe it! When my wife saw some of his macross art she understood my excitment. Even my ten year old was excited. I hope I can make to the macross convention this year in LA.
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 11, 2014 14:05:32 GMT
I flipped out. I couldn't believe it! When my wife saw some of his macross art she understood my excitment. Even my ten year old was excited. I hope I can make to the macross convention this year in LA. He's done some great work for Macross with his art for Macross Chronicle and the new VFs he and Kawamori designed for Macross the Ride. I love the VF-19ACTIVE Nothung he designed. |
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Post by kryptt on Mar 12, 2014 1:34:28 GMT
Yeah Tenji's the man. When I used to collect the hasegawa models I didn't know who he was till the art books came out. His depiction of valks puts to shame any valks depicted for robotech. The RT art looks cartoony compared to Tenji's art. Although some of what I've seen of the art for RRT looks pretty good actually. It's not Tenji art but not bad.
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 12, 2014 19:46:46 GMT
Yeah Tenji's the man. When I used to collect the hasegawa models I didn't know who he was till the art books came out. Yeah, Tenjin kind of flew under the radar for western fans of Macross until the debut of Macross Chronicle, where he got huge press for doing the cover art and so on for all fifty issues. That led to his Valkyries and Valkyries: Second Sortie art books, and his high-visibility collaboration with Kawamori on Macross the Ride. (Seems like whenever there's someone else involved as co-creator to moderate Kawamori's more eccentric tendencies, what we get is an order of magnitude more epic than his usual. The designs for Macross the Ride were so beyond cool that I actually wrote a letter or three asking for either an official VF-19ACTIVE toy to be made or for a conversion kit to be made for it. Thus far, the only Ride kit they've done is the VF-11D Custom ThunderFocus.) His depiction of valks puts to shame any valks depicted for robotech. The RT art looks cartoony compared to Tenji's art. Although some of what I've seen of the art for RRT looks pretty good actually. It's not Tenji art but not bad. Well, that's not really a fair comparison, is it? I mean, Tenjin's an anime industry pro with plenty of experience working with mechanical design art, and has the work of one of the anime industry's most celebrated mechanical designers and creators to draw on. Tommy Yune isn't a mechanical designer, he's a character designer from the American comic book industry, so a distinctly non-anime style shows through in his work and he's only really used to drawing any body types besides men who look like professional bodybuilders and women who look like porn stars. |
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Post by kryptt on Mar 12, 2014 20:48:43 GMT
Then someone should slip this under his office door.
"Gentlemen, Robotech is dead. Celebrate it for what it tried to do, not what it ultimately became."
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 13, 2014 0:38:17 GMT
Then someone should slip this under his office door. "Gentlemen, Robotech is dead. Celebrate it for what it tried to do, not what it ultimately became." If, by "slip it under his office door", you meant "tell it to him to his face", then mission accomplished. I did that ages ago... 'round the time Shadow Chronicles came out. I mean, how could I not. The Shadow Chronicles "movie" was supposed to be the first episode of an OVA that was going to relaunch Robotech to a new generation of fans... and not only was it an unmitigated disaster in that respect, most of the established Robotech fans hated it too. This got me looking at Tenjin's work for Macross the Ride to see what could possibly be worth statting out there... like the VF-19C/MG21 Excalibur, VF-19ACTIVE Nothung, YF-25/SPS-25P Paladin Prophecy, Queadluun-Alma, and ADR-04-Mk.XV Super Defender.  EDIT: Hell, there are a bunch of Frontier-era mecha from Macross 30 that could stand some stats too. YF-29B Percival! |
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Post by kryptt on Mar 13, 2014 1:23:40 GMT
Perhaps another pie throwing incident is in order. I apreciate you telling him that. Now I think he peddles RT out of spite.
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Post by MacrossMike on Mar 13, 2014 2:14:35 GMT
Perhaps another pie throwing incident is in order. I apreciate you telling him that. Now I think he peddles RT out of spite. Nah, not out of spite... it's a paycheck. Hey Jaymz, in another few days I'll have s'more FAST pack option info for your stats... it looks like the new Variable Fighter Master File book has some of the variant FAST packs from Macross the First. I'm kind of looking forward to some info on that Speed Pack variant that has four boosters, and there's some interesting stuff from Macross R about the VF-1X++'s FAST packs, which include an ISC. |
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) as well as LENGTHY discussion with Mike and a few other short discussions elsewhere.....is how I came to the stats I now have.