Optional expanded to hit numbers and bonuses

[Jaymz]

The following are optional hit numbers and bonuses/penalties based on range and size of target

Humanoid sized

Range modifiers

< 20m - 5
21-50m - 8
51 - 100m - 10
100 - 250m - 12
250m+ - 15

Size Modifiers

< 30cm - -6
< 1m - -3
1-3m - 0
4-10m - +3
11-20m - +6
21m+ - +10


PA / Robots / Vehicles / Aerospace fighters

Using PA level systems

Range modifiers

< 50m - 5
51 - 100m - 8
101 - 250m - 10
251 - 500m - 12
500m+ - 15

Size modifiers

Same as humanoid

Using Robot level systems

Range modifiers

< 100m - 5
101-250m - 8
251 - 500m - 10
501 - 1000m - 12
1000m+ - 15

Size modifiers

< 1m - -6
< 3m - -3
3 - 10m - 0
11 - 30 - +3
31 - 50m - +6
51m+ - +10

Using Aerospace fighter level systems

Range modifiers

< 250m - 5
251 - 500 - 8
501 - 2000m - 10
2001 - 5000m - 12
5000m+ - 15

Size modifiers

Same as robot level systems


Starships

Range modifiers

< 10km - 5
10 - 100km - 8
101 - 250km - 10
251 - 500km - 12
501 - 1000km - 15
1000km+ - 18

Size modifiers

See robotech either edition, macross ii or Phaseworld


Firing weapons beyond their range

1 - 1.5x - -3
1.6 - 3x - -6
3.1 - 5x - -10
Cannot hit beyond 5x their range

[Adam of The Old Kingdom]

give the weapon a range increment with -2 per range increment. big long barrels have longer range increments.

auto weapons would also have shorter range increments.
so, hand guns are 25 ft, sniper rifles might be 700ft.

not sure about mecha and space ship sized weapons. depends on genre

[joshuagoliath]

Jan 9, 2014 12:44:08 GMT Adam of The Old Kingdom said:

give the weapon a range increment with -2 per range increment. big long barrels have longer range increments.

auto weapons would also have shorter range increments.
so, hand guns are 25 ft, sniper rifles might be 700ft.

not sure about mecha and space ship sized weapons. depends on genre

A Barrett M107 has an effective range of 2000 yards. A max range of about double that. If you're talking a setting like Rifts, energy weapons will be even further (depending on the level of power used), because there won't be any drop on the bullet. In theory, using a beam energy weapon, your range is limited by the curvature of the planet, provided you have a powerful enough battery.

[Adam of The Old Kingdom]

so the 10th increment for the M107 is 6000ft making it roughly 600ft for each -2 to strike? how does that sound for a sniper rifle.

range increment deals only with accuracy, not maximum effective range of the weapon.
I agree, the beans maximum range is effected by anything that will disperse the beam, atmosphere, gas and particles in space, the beam becoming less coherant over (vast) distance.
Different projected energies can also have differing properties, if you like more detail in that regard.

[damianmagecraft]

I have toyed around with the concept of range increments.
Never did have the patience to work it out though.

[joshuagoliath]

When I DO use range increments (not common, at ALL), I typically go:

1/2 max range +1
Max Range 0
1 1/4 max range -3

Sometimes I'll break it down more, but not usually. It's just more complication.

[Jaymz]

Let me point out this was not to resemble reality but to work with how the Palladium rules are already set up.....

[Adam of The Old Kingdom]

well, in that case....

you're fucked.
PB ranged combat is max range, point blank and nothing.

and there is that reality thing again. rules in any RPG are physics engines. they emulate a reality of some sort. they are just not as fancy as frostbite 3.

I also stole mine from Spycraft as they have a tops Modern Arms Guide that stats out most modern weapons, for comparison purposes....

[Jaymz]

Thus why iwas trying to do something akin to "increments" but using what Palladium already has....as well as the penalties beyond "effective" range to allow for significantly longer ranges than listed with the weapons.

[Adam of The Old Kingdom]

I suppose it's because I prefer the weapon to carry the range and accuracy stats, not the scale of the environment.

Are space fighters that much bigger than robots?

Not having played space combat, would it be fair to set scale limits as static and then apply the +/-2 rule for each size level crossed. such as human to PA to Robot is 2 sizes given +/-4 to the respective parties. beyond that I'm not sure what to set the intervals at.
Having static size tables means you don't have to worry about which table to refer to.

if, the ability for a discharged weapons to reach a given range is removed, you can set static range increments the same as object scale. it sort of assumes that in space combat, light speed weapons or smart missiles will take care of distance issues, thus allowing 1 table for range increments from point blank out to lunar orbit.

short form: your idea is sound but can be done with just 2 tables, one each for size and range.

[Jaymz]

That is if you actually like the d20 way of doing it....which I don't.

[joshuagoliath]

I'm suddenly reminded of the scales for combat in WEG d6 Star Wars.

Character
Speeder
Space fighter
Space ship
Capital ship

(IIRC)

[Jaymz]

[Adam of The Old Kingdom]

It's hard to avoid d20 when PB combat resolutions is also a d20 dice.
and they probably stole it from some where else anyway.

[Jaymz]

I t may be a d20 mechanic but the way the strike bonuses and such are handled is not the same.

As for stolen....of most of us know full well the Palladium system is just Kevin's house ruled AD&D rules. He has more or less said so himself.

[joshuagoliath]

As step one of evidence... No half-breeds. Except the half-orc listed in high seas. Oops

[Adam of The Old Kingdom]

I thought it was regular D&D, before it got advanced.

[Jaymz]

That is possible, we are talking like 1979 at this point....