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Post by raiden on Jul 21, 2014 9:41:07 GMT
About a day ago there was a thread where someone pointed out that one of the backers had received a not too subtle death threat from another backer in the KickStarter comments. Lo and behold, said thread is now gone. Not locked, just gone.
What the hell? As I was checking on the thread from time to time to see what, if anything PB had to say about this turn of events, it all seemed pretty civil to me given the subject matter. Now it's been disappeared like a political dissident in Communist Russia...
Anyone have any clue as to how it all played out? Or did PB ignore it up until they deleted it.
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Post by MacrossMike on Jul 21, 2014 18:38:50 GMT
About a day ago there was a thread where someone pointed out that one of the backers had received a not too subtle death threat from another backer in the KickStarter comments. Lo and behold, said thread is now gone. Not locked, just gone. What the hell? As I was checking on the thread from time to time to see what, if anything PB had to say about this turn of events, it all seemed pretty civil to me given the subject matter. Now it's been disappeared like a political dissident in Communist Russia... Anyone have any clue as to how it all played out? Or did PB ignore it up until they deleted it. To be fair, that's not the kind of thing you want to publicize. There are some pretty hefty legal consequences that can come about from that kind of thing, and I'm sure Palladium doesn't want to be dragged into it. If they did the responsible thing, they'll have reported the backer who made the threat to the relevant authorities, made a record of his post, and then removed it. But still, fuck me sideways, what could possibly prompt someone to make death threats over a goddamn game? Especially a game where the people backing it are in their thirties and forties. |
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Post by raiden on Jul 22, 2014 9:56:29 GMT
Gamer A was threatening a lawsuit against PB. Anytime he posted on the KS comments pages, he'd talk about his lawsuit, no matter what the topic.
Player B made the threat that if Player A went through with it, Player B would b able to track down Player A and "make sure Player A never posted again. Purge Day!"
I realize that no company needs that kind of thing on their doorstep, but given the situation you think instead of burying it, PB would make a public statement saying something like, "We do not condone these types of comments or actions." Instead it just looks like they're trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen.
They really need a PR person working for them...
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Post by MacrossMike on Jul 22, 2014 14:47:42 GMT
Gamer A was threatening a lawsuit against PB. Anytime he posted on the KS comments pages, he'd talk about his lawsuit, no matter what the topic. Player B made the threat that if Player A went through with it, Player B would b able to track down Player A and "make sure Player A never posted again. Purge Day!" ... oh for fuck's sake. Well, we know who one of the idiots is. The one who won't STFU about his fantasy lawsuit is Rick S., and as abrasive as it is I can certainly understand why someone might lose their temper with him. To threaten to kill someone because they're making an idle and, frankly, imbecilic threat of the kind of legal action that would be laughed out of any court in the US is just... well... are we certain the other poster wasn't an extraordinarily skillful monkey rather than a human being? I realize that no company needs that kind of thing on their doorstep, but given the situation you think instead of burying it, PB would make a public statement saying something like, "We do not condone these types of comments or actions." Instead it just looks like they're trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen. They really need a PR person working for them... To be fair, why would they need to? All they'd be doing is making the boilerplate statement that "This is bad", and everybody already knows that. To sweep it under the rug as swiftly and deftly as possible was probably the best decision, damage-control wise unless the threat was made against a Palladium staffer. |
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Post by raiden on Jul 22, 2014 16:07:04 GMT
Remember, this is the same company that had to go out and make a statement about how there was to be "no revenge" on Steve Shiering (sp?), the dude behind the "Crisis of Trechery." (My god, when I type that up it makes me realize just how over dramatic King Kev is...)
I mean, everyone knows revenge is bad, so the statement has already been made in a sense once before. Why not now. Why not just say, "We will not condone threats of any kind towards those customers that are unhappy with the way we do business."
Burying it without a statement might serve to increase fears of reprisal by those that voted against selling at GenCon. (I don't believe that there would be any reprisal, just playing devils advocate here).
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Post by kryptt on Aug 1, 2014 10:12:19 GMT
Not only did the thread disappear, but he even deleted one of my posts in another thread. I can't wait for RRT to be embraced by the TT community. There going to rip PB a new one.lol
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Post by MacrossMike on Aug 1, 2014 18:44:50 GMT
Not only did the thread disappear, but he even deleted one of my posts in another thread. I can't wait for RRT to be embraced by the TT community. There going to rip PB a new one.lol Y'know, it's funny as hell to me that after all the people bitched at me for being a nay-sayer and suggesting that Robotech RPG Tactics had no chance of being able to hack it in the tabletop gaming industry, that I'm about to be proved right in the most graphic and high-visibility fashion imaginable. Palladium Books has done EVERYTHING wrong, PR-wise. Seriously though, after all the bad blood between Robotech and BattleTech, the game never had a fucking chance. Even discounting that, the game never had a chance of making it past the Macross-based stuff anyway. The best defense Robotech fans have been able to come up with for the Robotech Academy Kickstarter's impending failure has been to blame those evil Macross purists and Palladium Books for poisoning the well. |
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Post by kryptt on Aug 2, 2014 0:37:38 GMT
Who attacked you? The fan friends on the PB boards? Here's a ks I can get behind:
I thought it was silly too, that the rt faithful blame the abysmal failure of RTA on macross fans such as myself. I'm sure Kevin MCwhatshisname and the lack of direction from HG had nothing to do with it. At this point even HG isn't communicating with backers anymore. Now would be a good time for Frank Agrama to reevaluate his "creative" staff and fire the lot of them.
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Post by MacrossMike on Aug 2, 2014 3:41:05 GMT
Who attacked you? The fan friends on the PB boards? Here's a ks I can get behind: Various folks, mostly because I predicted that the game didn't even have the metaphorical snowball's chance in hell... it's Robotech, made by one of the most legendarily scatterbrained and out-of-touch companies in the RPG biz, who also happen to be tabletop gaming virgins, with a set of miniatures that are assembly nightmares developed by a collaboration between two studios that would have to improve considerably to be called third-rate, peddled to a crowd that largely has no idea of the realities of the tabletop gaming genre, and it's coming out with all the bad press of Robotech behind it to stifle sales. I get paid good money at my day job to be able to spot a bad idea, and Robotech RPG Tactics was a bad idea so massive that light cannot escape its surface. The whole thing was an obvious, shallow attempt to mine the pockets of the Robotech and Palladium faithful for a little cash using Macross as the bait. Like everything else Robotech, there's a very fine line separating it from just being an outright scam. I thought it was silly too, that the rt faithful blame the abysmal failure of RTA on macross fans such as myself. I'm sure Kevin MCwhatshisname and the lack of direction from HG had nothing to do with it. At this point even HG isn't communicating with backers anymore. Now would be a good time for Frank Agrama to reevaluate his "creative" staff and fire the lot of them. It was inevitable. There is a very good reason that the " Robotech faithful" are generally held to be complete, blithering idiots by the anime industry and hobby community as a whole. It's always someone else's fault when Robotech shit inevitably fails... Harmony Gold will have to find SOMEONE to blame this time too, probably Creavision. I can't even find it in my heart to feel pity for Creavision, since they knew damn well what kind of people work at Harmony Gold after receiving a cease and desist over a fan film that Harmony Gold had previously endorsed publicly. The " Robotech faithful" have spent so long deluding themselves into believing that Robotech was once successful, and is still successful, that they would rather believe there's some elaborate conspiracy to keep them down rather than accept the reality that Robotech's good bits are really holdovers from the original Japanese shows and that Macek was actually kind of a shitty writer. Macross fans, as a group who tend to dismiss Robotech as being less relevant than the original shows, make a natural target for Robotech fans who don't want to admit that what they loved was not of Carl Macek's making. A persecution complex helps keep the faithful faithful. They've done such a shit awful job with this Kickstarter that it is actually HILARIOUS. They're blaming Palladium in part for the bad press from Robotech RPG Tactics, but it's impossible to separate the actual (relatively minor) damage done by that from the massive damage done by the simple fact that their staff are bellends, their concept was crap, and the whole thing is a massive tacit vote of no confidence in the entire Robotech brand by Frank Agrama and Harmony Gold. At least we can rest easy, knowing that a new Macross series is already in development and is fully funded... because real studios don't need to beg the fans for handouts.  |
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Post by Jaymz on Aug 2, 2014 12:55:35 GMT
Who attacked you? The fan friends on the PB boards? Here's a ks I can get behind: I thought it was silly too, that the rt faithful blame the abysmal failure of RTA on macross fans such as myself. I'm sure Kevin MCwhatshisname and the lack of direction from HG had nothing to do with it. At this point even HG isn't communicating with backers anymore. Now would be a good time for Frank Agrama to reevaluate his "creative" staff and fire the lot of them. Not for nothing but shit like that is what KS needs to clamp down on. The purpose behind KS is good. Crap like that just encourages utter fucking stupidity to occur. |
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Post by MacrossMike on Aug 2, 2014 16:47:59 GMT
Not for nothing but shit like that is what KS needs to clamp down on. The purpose behind KS is good. Crap like that just encourages utter fucking stupidity to occur. Err... not to put too fine a point on it, my friend, but if it weren't for those few utterly fucking stupid people who would try to pin the blame for this latest Robotech failure on Macross fans, Harmony Gold wouldn't have an audience anymore. It is not without reason that many anime fans generally consider " Robotech fan" to be a synonym for "congenital idiot". Were it not for the persecution complex Harmony Gold fosters in their few remaining fans, those fans would've long since given Robotech up as a bad job and gone in search of greener pastures elsewhere (which is to say, gone literally anywhere else in the anime industry). McKeever fosters the utter fucking stupidity because it's the only way Robotech can retain a fanbase. The longer Robotech remains a total non-starter, the more fanatical and hostile they're going to get. |
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Post by Jaymz on Aug 2, 2014 17:13:18 GMT
Oh THAT I know Mike. I was meaning more along the lines of utterly stupid kickstarters in general like the potato salad guy.
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Post by MacrossMike on Aug 2, 2014 17:29:30 GMT
Oh THAT I know Mike. I was meaning more along the lines of utterly stupid kickstarters in general like the potato salad guy. Point's moot now... Harmony Gold canned the Robotech academy Kickstarter about 29 minutes ago (at time of writing). |
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Post by Jaymz on Aug 2, 2014 17:39:37 GMT
Yeah....cuz no one could have seen THAT coming.
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Post by MacrossMike on Aug 4, 2014 3:10:46 GMT
Yeah....cuz no one could have seen THAT coming. Yep... can't have something objective and impersonal like a website quantify Carl's great vision as a failure. |
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