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Post by juce734 on Apr 11, 2014 14:37:34 GMT
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Post by kryptt on Apr 11, 2014 16:28:21 GMT
Kinda sums up how I feel about this.
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Post by Jaymz on Apr 11, 2014 23:38:11 GMT
Yeah too bad some feel it better to mock the guy than just leave it alone
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Post by kryptt on Apr 13, 2014 18:22:49 GMT
I agree
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Post by MacrossMike on Apr 13, 2014 19:55:11 GMT
Having just watched that myself, he makes some good points about the mechanical problems with the miniatures themselves. I do have to admit that the complaints about how long it'll take to put together such complex miniatures will probably fall on deaf ears with existing tabletop war gaming audiences... because any veteran war gamer who wants to make their army look good will already set aside a fairly significant chunk of time for individual clean-up, assembly, priming, painting, and basing. I've been a Warhammer 40,000 guy since at least 2001, and let me tell you that if you intend to actually make your army look good you'd better be prepared to spend approximately an hour PER MINIATURE. The more complex the miniature, the longer it takes to assemble, pose, and paint it. The Robotech RPG Tactics minis are not, in terms of the sheer number of parts, that much worse than your average medium-sized heavies from WH40K, like a Dreadnought, a Wraithlord, or a Grotesque. What's wrong with them is that they did a shit-awful job of deciding where to split the parts and how to cast them, so the end result is a model that will look sloppy no matter how good a job you do assembling the bloody thing. It doesn't help that, by the look of things, the minis would be slightly frustrating for even an experienced WH40K player, but would probably be the stuff of nightmares for an inexperienced model-builder to tackle. Here's what I think the real problem is: UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS. EDIT: I want to make it clear before I go any farther that I'm not saying you, the backers, don't have a right or reason to be upset. I'm only saying that, given past performance by all concerned, this "betrayal" shouldn't have been any great surprise. Moving on... Another, less charitable way to say it might be "stupidity", "poor pattern recognition skills", or "madness" in the sense that insanity is often defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Like we saw on the Palladium Forums recently, quite a few of the Kickstarter's backers went into this fully aware of the fact that Palladium has a habit of massively over-promising and then failing to deliver on those excessive promises. Despite knowing only too well that Kevin's casual disregard for deadlines and micromanaging editorial process virtually guaranteed the estimated delivery date would by good for little more than a cheap, cynical laugh, they backed it. Despite knowing that the involvement of Harmony Gold and Palladium ensured that they would only engage a fifth-string studio to make the minis, they threw thousands of dollars at it. Despite the obvious outcome that even a blind man would and should have seen coming, they believed they were going to get a top shelf, first-rate miniatures war game fit to beat Warhammer 40,000.
Failure wasn't just likely, with their expectations set that unrealistically high it was the ONLY possible outcome.
Remember, this hype was spun by some of the same people who have spent the last fifteen years trying (and often failing) to convince a shrinking, and increasingly cult-like, captive audience that the Robotech TV series audiences largely ignored in 1985 was actually a genre- and industry-defining masterpiece that has enjoyed nothing but wild success and the envy of the Japanese studios who created all of the actual content. The game's rules were written by a company that has made failure to deliver such a habit that every estimate posted on their websites is met with derisive laughter and mockery. The fact that the miniatures were being developed by a relatively unknown two studio team-up rather than enjoying the attentions of a first-rate game company should've been a giveaway that the quality wouldn't be anything to write home about. We're talking about companies that can't hack it in their own industries that're trying to break into a new one that's even less forgiving and more exclusive. It baffles me that anyone feels anything besides weary resignation. If anyone feels betrayed, they shouldn't be blaming Palladium for it... they should be blaming themselves for not noticing enough warning signs to carpet Brazil while they were reaching for their wallets. Yeah too bad some feel it better to mock the guy than just leave it alone Well, this is the internet we're on... give some folks anonymity and an audience and they'll act like complete fuckwits. Poor guy should've waited a day or two before recording that video though. He says he was involved in a car fire and I freaking well believe him. He looks like he got a face full of fairly toxic smoke from burning upholstery and inhaled a fair bit of it too. Having also experienced the same special brand of hell myself (albeit in carefully controlled, well-ventilated lab conditions), I have to say it's amazing he wasn't too busy horking up a lung to record that video. He should've put it off a day and gotten some rest. From an anonymous audience perspective, it isn't as easy to dismiss someone who looks like they're in good shape as it is someone who's complaining and looks like they can't even take care of themselves. |
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