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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 19, 2014 22:21:59 GMT
I've played Arkam Asylum and Arkam city and all. Bats moves around via his grapple gun and then his glide cape.
Grapple gun is easy enough to approximate. Acrobatics the skill helps with landings ledge work etc.
For those more into the Hardware Unlimited side how would you approximate the glide cape? It seems very much more than a simple 'forward to down' ratio, as you can swoop and gain altitude sort of like mario from the 90s.
I can figure out the 'bat suit'. Just using the standard armor. Upgrading with the +2AR and +10%Sdc.
The cape I'm curious as to how you guys would do.
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 19, 2014 23:52:41 GMT
Hmm.......well......could be a "super-vehicle" of sorts as in a kyte/hang glider type thing that is just built into the suit?
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 20, 2014 0:40:34 GMT
I'd rate it as a gadget, but yeah. Something or another.
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 20, 2014 1:04:26 GMT
Super invention mimicing the power glide?
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 20, 2014 1:36:15 GMT
That would be one way but I'm looking at getting it for the "Caped Crusader" class. Which wouldn't have access to it. It'd need to be a ready made gizmo that did the effect.
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 20, 2014 2:24:02 GMT
Would he/she not have a "guy' that does that stuff for them though like the real batman did? Or rather maybe they "come across it" Like the guy in The Greatest American Hero came across his suit.  |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 20, 2014 3:27:07 GMT
Would he/she not have a "guy' that does that stuff for them though like the real batman did? Or rather maybe they "come across it" Like the guy in The Greatest American Hero came across his suit. Well technically 'anyone with the proper skills' can pull off the builds from the hardware category, you just have to fight the penalties. So technically he/she'll be able to make it him/herself with the skills they'd have from the NG/Caped Crusader build. Im just kinda spit balling for ideas/stats on what it should/do. Custom shaped boomerangs/throwing stars/blades I can do. Grapple gun I can do. I'm curious as to how people would stat out the glide cape. I mean I can hand wave it, but I thought some might like to contribute. |
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 20, 2014 4:16:15 GMT
Well like I said I think the best way is a super gadget that mimics the glide minor super ability.
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Post by Janus on Jan 20, 2014 17:09:25 GMT
In the comics (or maybe the cartoon) Batman had a cape (experimental) that would become rigid when electric current was added to the membrane of the cape itself (heck maybe it was the movies). This allowed him to glide on wind currents. The material itself would be from Wayne Corp, so he would not need to design that. And an Electrical Hardware would know how to wire the suit up to work properly. For performance of the cape's glide capabilities I would use stats from the wingsuit. Though in one Justice League it showed him using a backpack that would connect to his cape allowing him to bail out from the batplane with the cape becoming a glider with a rigid bone structure. Upon landing he collapsed the skeleton and removed the backpack from under his cape.
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 20, 2014 19:02:25 GMT
Where would one find stats for the wingsuit?
And this isn't actually 'Batman' Sadly. No Wayne corp. This is for a generic "Caped Crusader" class build. (Which to be fair is totally Bat family analogs, but still))
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Post by Janus on Jan 20, 2014 21:03:11 GMT
Where would one find stats for the wingsuit? And this isn't actually 'Batman' Sadly. No Wayne corp. This is for a generic "Caped Crusader" class build. (Which to be fair is totally Bat family analogs, but still)) That is a Jaymz question. I cannot do stats. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 20, 2014 21:42:57 GMT
Yeah Jaymz!!! Where's the stats for the Wingsuit... and the Tumbler while you're at it!??  |
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 20, 2014 22:07:43 GMT
nllm  You'll get it when I get around to it |
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Post by writersblock on Jan 21, 2014 7:30:30 GMT
hmmmm......*consults his Batman books*
Well, there are two types of "glide capes" in the Batman mythos: one where he essentially uses it like a mini hang glider. For its stats I would use the "wing suit" stats you can google. It is used in parachuting.
The other is more of a controlled descent, drogue chute type effect. For it, I would slightly alter (for size etc) an emergency parachute...probably one of the old round style rather than the more current wing style.
As to the comments on anyone with the right skills being able to build his gadgets, I heartily disagree. Those sorts of "beyond modern tech" gadgets are EXACTLY what a Hardware Specialist is about. And when you see the penalties, well, even gifted Hardware characters would have it tough if you are being realistic and appropriately cumulative with them.
Check Youtube for when Mythbusters built a bunch of Bat Gadgets for examples....I know they are not the most educated and talented, but they point out a lot of the technical problems that Batman overcame "somehow"....
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 21, 2014 8:39:52 GMT
I'm just going by what it says in the book, about anyone being able to try. It does stipulate that you need the right skills to do so. Thing is to mimic the Bat Family, as a "Caped Crusader" class, you start with the Natural Genius class, and it's extremely easy to pick up the proper skill set, with a +30% bonus! straight off the bat at first level. That gets you close to hardware class starting %s.
Now the penalties are steep, but unless you over reach, they don't drop you through the floor, too bad. You may fail a few tries, but you'll get it sooner rather than later. By the aspect, that you start with such steep bonus, even with penalties, you end up in sight of your goal.
Edit: I love mythbusters and watch all the time. I've seen the ones on bat gear.
Surprisingly enough, the ascent gun actually was plausible. lol.
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Post by writersblock on Jan 21, 2014 15:01:16 GMT
Yeah, but you see the difference between what could be built with the skills (Mythbusters version) and the Hardware class (Batman's version).
The other difference between having the skills and being Hardware is that a Hardware character will make something new, like a power pack or a motor or a new kind of cable (ie Batman's decel lines) just so their grapple gun gadget can work the way they want it to, where a person just with the skills has to create based on what exists and retrofit far more and ends up with stuff like they did in Mythbusters.
See, honestly, Batman had decades to perfect his gear, and the backing of Waynetech (where he "guided" development of certain tech) to help his gear evolve. A Hardware character could pretty much have started with Batman gear.
Batman is a good example of making due with the skills. Harold, his one time assistant liberated from the Penguin, is closer to a Hardware Specialist.
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 21, 2014 22:12:56 GMT
Ok, looked up the wing suit and read about it. Pretty snazzy. I'd seen them on tv of course before (Including one guy hitting a rock in one at about 200mph).
It works pretty well for a glide cape analog. The Glide ratio for a wing suit is 2.5. We're talking super heroes, super hero creation, and dedicated usage, so I figure a simple glide ratio of 3 works out well. Also makes the math easier. The chance to 'swoop', I.E. dive a bit and 'pull up' to gain altitude can be performed via a roll. ( I'm thinking this could be done under Parachuting, and or Pilot "wing suit/glidecape".)
Looking in HU2, there's multiple instances of line/spike and line/grapple launchers.
For this, I'm thinking 'Grapple launcher'. 200ft. The built in quick reel works fine. if nothing else you can shoot off your grapple line, zip up to 200 feet. release and activate your glide cape to maneuver 600 feet laterally. That's if you don't choose to ride to the apex of the 200 feet and fire the launcher again.
For the Staff weapon, it's a bit more simple. Simple collapsible staff, with a deploy-able shield.
One can buy flash pellets or flash bangs off the shelf these days.
Blue tooth ear pieces hooked to a smart phone on your belt will mimic most of the family's communications. (You're going to want to add in some security but to start...)
Heck Siri or the upcoming Cortana will let you do voice commands for most of it. (Amusing observation. HU's dated nature puts voice activated computers at $30,000++)
Boomerangs are covered with WP Boomerang. One can play around a bit with the damage. Some of the 'bat-a-rangs' were bat shaped throwing blades. Some of them were actual boomerangs, and some/many were mmore bat shaped grappeling hooks. Still few of those are going to be hard to stat out.
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Post by writersblock on Jul 18, 2014 9:19:35 GMT
There is a reason I wanted to redo all the tech and update it what I was writing Hardware Unlimited...things like Bluetooth, Siri, Smartphones, etc etc did not even exist when much of that stuff was made for HU.
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