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Post by Rabid Southern Cross Fan on Dec 21, 2013 20:16:36 GMT
Okay,
I have to say that the original idea laid for Chaos Earth, that it was an alternate dimension for Rifts Earth that had a lower level of magic sounded MUCH better than what was ultimately delivered. Seriously, Kevin stated that there was a huge manuscript AND an addendum delivered. Whatever in the name of God possessed him to take what had been a cool concept and mangle it is beyond me. He could have easily done Chaos Earth as a Dimension Book and follow-on Sourcebook and STILL done a book for the early days of Rifts Earth. Seriously.
Somehow, Kevin went off the rails with Rifts. The Skeleton Warriors were a neat concept if you took them (as hinted at originally) that they were Coalition Soldiers from an alternate dimension (perhaps from Chaos Earth?). However, they got turned into a power creep wet-dream as The Army of the Coalition States 2.0. So much that was neat about Rifts Earth got lost in the intervening years in my opinion. The timeline should never have advanced since it took the setting from being a gonzo sandbox to being a garbled mess of a setting.
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 21, 2013 22:19:56 GMT
Hard to argue with any of that.....
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Post by yilbber on Dec 22, 2013 8:37:21 GMT
he was listening the Chittering horde on the Palladium boards that began to watch too many episodes of SUPERVOLCANO and so on.
Meanwhile, I'm reading an encyclopedia of Atlantis... which combines all the atlantean myth stuff together in one place, Pretty interesting stuff, too bad Rifts Got it Wrong like crack. Lemuria is closer to the myths were by loads. but overall, comes off as silly as the lemurians come off as a sub power with nothing really useful to let them fight, nor survive past 30 seconds, a Splugorthian encounter.
although that was ENTIRELY because KS decided no more weapons doing more then d6x10 - overall you compare kittani underwater features vs Any of the biomancer suits, the biomancer suits suck by the mile.
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Post by yilbber on Dec 22, 2013 8:39:37 GMT
If he didn't do the supervolcano bullshit, Chaos Earth would of been awesome.. but no, we get slapped with shit again. I guess they could always create a 2nd Edition of Manhunter lol.... which was far more like the Chaos Earth we were promised in the first place.
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Post by joshuagoliath on Dec 22, 2013 15:41:26 GMT
Except that the "real" basis for Atlantis (as far as we can tell) WAS destroyed by a volcanic explosion, and the associated nature, such as falling ash, the earthquakes, tidal waves (the first tidal wave was devastating), etc etc etc...
And for those who have actually looked at End of Days scenarios, all it would take is ONE supervolcano. You throw everything else on top, and humanity probably wouldn't survive at all, let alone as many people that did. The Ring of Fire wouldn't be AS devastating, but would still wreak havoc on weather.
In fact, any ONE supervolcano going would seriously mess up any and all weather patterns worldwide.
If anything, my disagreement with CE is that as much survived as did. Last SupVol that went off was Toba, and which set off a global winter. Temperatures lowered by 37-41 degrees (fahrenheit), was responsible for at least 2 centuries of the thousand year glaciation, and plenty more.
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Post by yilbber on Dec 22, 2013 17:58:03 GMT
well Chaos earth has it start in the nuclear winter type beginning, hence all the stories about cold and firemen ... but i don't want to play a fireman or play it out in the frozen north. It was semi ok, till it became outright goofy, in the later books.
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 22, 2013 18:12:22 GMT
Later books? There have only been 2. One was for Magic and one was for monsters. In neither do they really go into the setting of Chaos Earth.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 22, 2013 21:57:07 GMT
Okay, I have to say that the original idea laid for Chaos Earth, that it was an alternate dimension for Rifts Earth that had a lower level of magic sounded MUCH better than what was ultimately delivered. Seriously, Kevin stated that there was a huge manuscript AND an addendum delivered. Whatever in the name of God possessed him to take what had been a cool concept and mangle it is beyond me. He could have easily done Chaos Earth as a Dimension Book and follow-on Sourcebook and STILL done a book for the early days of Rifts Earth. Seriously. Somehow, Kevin went off the rails with Rifts. The Skeleton Warriors were a neat concept if you took them (as hinted at originally) that they were Coalition Soldiers from an alternate dimension (perhaps from Chaos Earth?). However, they got turned into a power creep wet-dream as The Army of the Coalition States 2.0. So much that was neat about Rifts Earth got lost in the intervening years in my opinion. The timeline should never have advanced since it took the setting from being a gonzo sandbox to being a garbled mess of a setting. A conversation I had with Kevin back when CE was previewed in Rifter 15 (or there about) he intimated the original manuscript wasnt as good as he initially believed (never outright said it but the indications were there in what he didnt say) there were also some musings about how when trying to re-work certain concepts in the Script kevin eventually decided the beginnings of Rifts would be a better setting. Weather he was correct in that assessment is debatable. I like the CE we have. AFAICT it is the only RPG that is set not just before or after the Apocalypse but during...(I find that idea utterly intriguing). |
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Post by yilbber on Dec 23, 2013 3:53:49 GMT
They do go into the setting some in the rifters... and honestly it just doesn't work with an apocalypse. (such as rifter 27 and the ghosts... When we find out england today is a nuked fairy wonderland... ) there's also not much from current rifts that is compatible except South america 1/2 which arrived after the rifts..
so you're basically left with monster hunts and scavenging.
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Post by yilbber on Dec 23, 2013 3:54:53 GMT
the only fun thing we get from Chaos earth is using CE's nema mecha in the orbital setting.
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Post by writersblock on Jan 14, 2014 12:48:35 GMT
What I love is how so many post Rifts creations, made from salvaged tech using hacked together ruins, is now SOOOO superior to the tech of the "Golden Age"...
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 15, 2014 21:28:23 GMT
Well time does go on. If you're already using high tech MDC type stuff and find new "old" stuff, in theory you can use it as a spring board and improve?
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Post by kryptt on Jan 22, 2014 13:03:58 GMT
I just discovered CE and it's an interesting read so far. I couldn't help but think how some of the stuff in the book could be used for RT and vise versa. Now that I've seen some of the mecha and suits, I really want to see a rifts mini game. I'd love to see my macross mecha go up against glitter boys and the other nema robots.
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Post by writersblock on Feb 8, 2014 5:08:41 GMT
I still think that a world capable of developing the marvels it did should have been producing tech superior to the Knock offs based on it and built hundreds of years later, with lost skills, from scavenged materials and tech.
In a workd with zero G manufacturing, AI, nano tech and all the rest, its tech (MDC, damage ratings, speed, energy conservation, energy utilization, medicine, etc etc) should be leaps and bounds better than the stuff in Rifts.
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