colonel wolfe
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 8, 2013 20:23:48 GMT
The force is little more than a macguffin. Even Lucas didn't think about it that hard over the years... way less than the average starters fan would...
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Post by ninjabunny on Dec 9, 2013 2:08:04 GMT
Biotics are to Mass Effect what the force is to Star Wars.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 9, 2013 2:51:03 GMT
Biotics are to Mass Effect what the force is to Star Wars. what's mass effect? |
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Post by ninjabunny on Dec 9, 2013 2:55:36 GMT
Biotics are to Mass Effect what the force is to Star Wars. what's mass effect? it is a video game trilogy by Bioware released by Electronic arts. |
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 9, 2013 3:30:18 GMT
it is a video game trilogy by Bioware released by Electronic arts. not familiar with it, last Bioware game i cared about was Baulders Gate... |
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Post by ninjabunny on Dec 9, 2013 4:12:13 GMT
it is a video game trilogy by Bioware released by Electronic arts. not familiar with it, last Bioware game i cared about was Baulders Gate... check out on wiki it and dragons age were they big titles they released for the ps3/xbox 360. |
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 9, 2013 7:12:23 GMT
not familiar with it, last Bioware game i cared about was Baulders Gate... check out on wiki it and dragons age were they big titles they released for the ps3/xbox 360. well until BW shit all over the ME series with that abortion they call an ending in 3. |
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 9, 2013 7:33:07 GMT
So this ME3 is kinda like Phantom Menace?
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 9, 2013 8:50:45 GMT
So this ME3 is kinda like Phantom Menace? worse imo |
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 9, 2013 8:59:21 GMT
So this ME3 is kinda like Phantom Menace? worse imo that's an accomplishment if it's true... the nerd rage from phantom menace was as loud as the death cry of alderan |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 9, 2013 9:55:51 GMT
Well, to those that cared about the game. A number of them were pretty tweeked.
When one looks at the numbers of people that care about the game, vs the number of people that care about Star Wars....
It's kinda like the 2 year old at Christmas that wants cookies and pitches a fit. The 2 year old is quite upset, but other than some noise that the entire rest of the family doesn't pay too much attention to, it's not too important on their radar, other than hoping the 2 year old shuts up. *Grins*
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Post by jorel on Dec 9, 2013 13:45:40 GMT
The Force in Star Wars is just another way of saying look, Magic. Does Magic make DnD? No. It is just a feature. Same as the Force. It does not make Star Wars "Star Wars" if it does or does not have the Force. It is just a feature. Like saying it isn't Marvel or DC without Powers. What about Batman or Punisher? They are more about world/universe building than a focus on a medium like Magic, The Force, Technology, Gods, Super Powers, Psionics, these are all features, not what makes a great story.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Dec 9, 2013 17:50:12 GMT
that's an accomplishment if it's true... the nerd rage from phantom menace was as loud as the death cry of alderan With vid games replay value is a big deal for me. ME3's ending ruined the replay value of 1 and 2 for me. The big draw on ME was that decisions in each game would effect the out come of the sequels. 3 changed that from having the possibility of multiple endings to pick which of 3 colors of space magic you want for an ending. The endings were all the same except for the color of the FX. Sadly 3 was awesome right up until the last 10 minutes. The story lines were intense well written and then it becomes obvious that the last ten minutes were written both in a hurry and by people with no concept of plotting. When the fan speculation of how they could fix the ending is better than the actual ending something is wrong. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 9, 2013 17:58:21 GMT
Your own post contradicts itself.
With out powers, Marvel sucks. The Punisher is just a jerk with a gun.
With out powers, batman's villains are largely gone. Sure the Joker might still be around but the others are by and large gone. With out 'powers' DC sucks too.
With out the Force, Star Wars is just generic SciFi with aliens. Of which there are many. With out the Force, there is no Vader. There is no Palpatine. There is no Obi Wan. There is no Yoda. There is no Luke. There is no 'story'. The entire movies don't start. No laser battle with a dark clad Vader walking into the blockade runner.. poof. No Star Wars. The Emperor never rises to power for there to BE an Empire. The Death Star never gets blown up because the force was used to make the shot. No Obi-wan means that Luke would have died in the desert to tuskens before he ever got off planet. Heck with out Obi Wan, there's no luke period because he'd have died from his dad choking his mom. Wait. With no force there's no Anikin Skywalker EVER BORN, (He was conceived via the force) to later impregnate Padme, to HAVE Luke and Leia. In Empire stikes back, luke would have simply died after his confrontation with vader (Which wouldn't have happened anyway as no vade or luke as Jedi or Sith with no force) as he couldn't have reached out in the force to his sister.
I could go on and on an on, just from the first three movies. Take the Force out of the Star Wars Movies, and quite simply there ARE no Star Wars movies.
Is it a 'feature'? yes. it is. It's a DEFINING Feature, that with out, the Setting falls.
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Post by jorel on Dec 9, 2013 18:35:45 GMT
I think the setting would hold up just fine without the force. Sure it is a part of the stories as is magic in King Arthur. So without magic there is no King Arthur. Stories set in a similar setting still hold up with or without magic.
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 9, 2013 19:16:55 GMT
I think the setting would hold up just fine without the force. Sure it is a part of the stories as is magic in King Arthur. So without magic there is no King Arthur. Stories set in a similar setting still hold up with or without magic. I think I've pretty clearly pointed out that with out the Force the movies fail many many many times over. Neither 4, 5, and 6, nor 1, 2, and 3 could not even Start with out the force. SW Starts with Vader capturing the blockade runner. Phantom Menace starts with the Jedi going to talk to the trade federation. Stories of Camelot and King Arthur, with out King Authur are just generic Middle Ages knight stories. Same thing with Star Wars. Take out the force entirely and it's just generic Sci Fi. You can do it, but it's no longer "Star Wars". |
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 9, 2013 19:24:46 GMT
I've read some works based in the Asimov foundation universe... and some of nevin's mankinz war... they could easily happen in the same universe as star trek or even Heinlein's starship troopers...
The force is what makes the story stand out from other sci-fi... its what makes it a fantasy setting.
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Post by colonel wolfe on Dec 9, 2013 19:26:00 GMT
King Arthur without the magic is a crap Richard gear movie....
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Post by Sci-Fi on Dec 9, 2013 20:19:44 GMT
King Arthur without the magic is a crap Richard gear movie.... lol Though the costumes were pretty.  |
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Post by ninjabunny on Dec 9, 2013 21:28:13 GMT
I've read some works based in the Asimov foundation universe... and some of nevin's mankinz war... they could easily happen in the same universe as star trek or even Heinlein's starship troopers... The force is what makes the story stand out from other sci-fi... its what makes it a fantasy setting. I have to once again point out the the rebel squadron and X-Wings stories. No force all Star Wars feel. But honestly all we have done is argue our opinions on what does or doesn't make Star Wars and not a discussion on the first book of the three core rule books they are doing for Star Wars. EoE is light on the force for a very clear reason it is the New Hope of the three books, the first movie that was force light. Yes the force was present in the movie just as it is in the book but like the movie it is not the focal point, the focal point is the PCs and the harshness of life in a universe ruled by the empire. If I had age of rebellion beta I could comment on how much the force influence that book, from what I have been told the force is making a strong influence on it but much like Empire Strikes back it is not the major focal point but it is still strong in side that book. Force and destiny will be the book that brings in and focuses squarely on the force and the return of the Jedi order. |
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Post by Janus on Jan 9, 2014 20:53:10 GMT
I like some of the EU items, but more often than not I can do without them. The rogue squadron series was really good. I also liked a lot of the Dark Horse comics.
I agree that the force is not as important as it seems. I truly believe Luke could have made that shot without the force. The force would have been a factor had Vader not been blasted off of his tail by Han. Do not get me wrong, it was useful in areas, but if you look at Infinities from Dark Horse where maybe Luke dies or something goes wrong the actions of the other characters help save the day.
I know that is not canonical, but it does give a different perspective on the stories.
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Post by Janus on Jan 9, 2014 21:05:21 GMT
I really think Han shot in self defense. It was pretty clear ole Greedo would have fried him given the chance.
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Post by damianmagecraft on Jan 11, 2014 0:07:37 GMT
I really think Han shot in self defense. It was pretty clear ole Greedo would have fried him given the chance. of course but he still shot first. |
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Post by ninjabunny on Jan 11, 2014 7:18:05 GMT
I really think Han shot in self defense. It was pretty clear ole Greedo would have fried him given the chance. of course but he still shot first. he did and always will have! That is the Star Wars I saw in my youth the Star Wars that is burned in my memory. |
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Post by Janus on Jan 12, 2014 2:21:28 GMT
He shot first in the movie and in the book.
"Light and noise filled the little corner of the cantina, and when it had faded, all that remained of the unctuous alien was a smoking, slimy, spot on the the stone floor.
Solo brought his hand and the smoking weapon it held out from beneath the table, drawing bemused stares from several of the cantina's patrons and clucking sounds from its more knowledgeable ones. They had known the creature had committed its fatal mistake in allowing Solo the chance to get his hands under cover".
"Leaving the booth, Solo flipped the bartender a handful of coins as he and Chewbacca moved off. 'Sorry for the mess. I always was a rotten host.'"
He was full on a scoundrel always.
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