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Post by 13eowulf on Jan 6, 2014 0:26:07 GMT
Has anyone compiled a list of 'unannounced' revised edition books Palladium has released? Or better yet, a list of the actual revisions?
Let me give an example:
In Coalition War Campaign, 3rd printing on page, 80 you have the CS Rangers. On the top of the second column is the start of the OCC Skills list. This comes after the Attribute Requirements section at the bottom of the first column.
In Coalition War Campaign, 5th printing, on page 80, at the top of the second column you have OCC Bonuses, which is before the OCC Skills list, and after the Attribute Requirements. To make this fit so they didnt have to alter the page layout much, the OCC skills list is now two mini columns within the second column.
CS Ranger OCC bonuses are:
+3D6+10 SDC
+1D4 PS
+1D4 PE
+1 Iniative
+3 on Perception Rolls
+2 to roll with impact
+2 to save vs poison and disease
+10% to save vs Coma/Death
and +1 to save vs Horror Factor at levels 2, 4, 6, 9, 12, & 15
Has anyone else noticed differences like this? Can we try and get a list of books?
I know fore sure the Coalition War Campaign and Juicer Uprising have been so revised. I have heard Atlantis has been so revised, but not seen it.
What are people's thoughts on the matter?
Does anyone know if it is just Rifts books, or books from other lines as well? (not knowing this is why I posted here instead of under the Rifts section).
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 6, 2014 1:06:27 GMT
Well unfortunately the only way to know this is if we had multiple copies/printing of the various books. I do not so I really couldn't comment as to what they changes were.
That is one of the biggest issues with the Palladium system as a whole as well. You will have two people arguing things about the rules only to find out Person A has 4th printing RMB and Person B has 2nd Printing RUE.
Same happens between printings of things like the GMG or as you have shown CWC and JU.
It is also why I have been saying for quite sometime that they REALLY need to document and post up any revisions made onto the website so those of us not wanting to buy a new copy everytime can know the changes.
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 6, 2014 3:05:52 GMT
It wouldn't be difficult, either.
A list of the books, each edition/printing, and the changes.
If you have (US) military experience, when they want to make a couple of minor changes, but not redo the entire regulation, what they do is have a single page that simply points at the paragraph to change, and what the new wording is. And you can look at just that one page, and update your old copy, instead of printing 500 pages of regs all over again.
I don't see why PB couldn't do the same. Post it to the site, and let people download it for free, so they can have the up to date stuff.
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 6, 2014 3:14:43 GMT
Josh....I've been saying that for years.....the only thing they have done that I am aware of is post the 1st printing errata for RUE
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 6, 2014 3:27:48 GMT
Nah.. they posted a couple of things for PF... mainly the couple of spells, WP shield..
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 6, 2014 3:37:29 GMT
heh my mistake...
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 6, 2014 3:39:40 GMT
But, overall, yes, they are lacking. And yes, this would be EASY for them to do- at least, if they did it as they went along. Trying to go back and do it all? Ehhhh.... not so easy. Still doable, but, not as easy as it WOULD HAVE been..
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Post by 13eowulf on Jan 6, 2014 17:45:48 GMT
A quick update: It appears Atlantis, Africa, Coalition War Campaign, Juicer Uprising, and Powers Unlimited 2 all have revisions in later versions. For PU2 it was done with the 2nd printing. For both CWC and JU the 5th printing appears revised, while the 3rd printing is not (no word on the 4th printing).
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Post by 13eowulf on Jan 6, 2014 17:48:04 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly that they should be posting errata better, and more. I will note that there is official errata for some early material here: www.palladium-megaverse.com/cuttingroom/But it has not been updated (from what I can tell) for a long long time. Nor is it comprehensive nor complete in any way. |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 6, 2014 18:48:05 GMT
In Powers unlimited are you referencing the like 5 words that make the Natural Genius a Mega Hero?
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 6, 2014 19:45:21 GMT
Even if it is two words that changes something (and those 5 words change the class substantially as to how it can be used) should be posted up to the website of those of us who have the previous printings.
The fact they haven't is one of the biggest reasons there are so many minor rule arguments all over the Palladium forums most of the time. because 2nd printing of book X is different than 5th printing. Both sides are right but wont dare admit the other may as well since they have different printings of the book.
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 6, 2014 22:11:28 GMT
I was just asking, to clarify, to see if I was missing something.  |
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Post by 13eowulf on Jan 6, 2014 22:40:24 GMT
In Powers unlimited are you referencing the like 5 words that make the Natural Genius a Mega Hero? Actually I am referenced that AND the complete revamp of the costs associated with the Eugenics class. As posted here: palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=83327 |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 6, 2014 22:58:28 GMT
Ahh right right right. The different Eugenics table. Got cha. Just making sure I was aware of the changes. Thank you sir. |
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Post by 13eowulf on Jan 6, 2014 23:05:27 GMT
Ahh right right right. The different Eugenics table. Got cha. Just making sure I was aware of the changes. Thank you sir. Glad I could oblige. Although it does kind of underscore a need for a thread like...  |
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 7, 2014 3:16:44 GMT
The problem is that a lot of us don't have multiple printings of the same books. So unless we're all going to get together, and go word by word, we can't really do it properly
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 7, 2014 3:17:32 GMT
Of course, another thread we could do would be a list of the errors we find. Consolidate them all, and send them to PB as a courtesy...
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 7, 2014 3:57:04 GMT
Of course, another thread we could do would be a list of the errors we find. Consolidate them all, and send them to PB as a courtesy...  All the mistakes would take up huge numbers of pages and in the end, would likely be ignored. How many different books did that range in km make it into? It was pointed out and not only did it remain in the books it was cut and pasted into two or three others wasn't it? |
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Post by 13eowulf on Jan 7, 2014 4:01:14 GMT
If you wanna make another thread about errors, or what you think Palladium should change, so be it. But cant this one be solely about first gathering a list of books that have been updated, and then discussing those updates, without getting negative, or beating the error dead horse, etc.?
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 7, 2014 4:04:58 GMT
Agreed. If we are going to do this we need to do it right...however the first thing we need is people with multiple printings of books which rules me out.
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Post by 13eowulf on Jan 7, 2014 4:15:58 GMT
Agreed. If we are going to do this we need to do it right...however the first thing we need is people with multiple printings of books which rules me out. Well I think I see a bit of a pattern. In CWC and Juicer Uprising it appears that, among other things, they are retroactively adding perception bonuses to OCCs or RCCs. I theorize that if there is a printing of a book that was initially released before the RUE that is dated after the release of the RUE (as rifts had no perception before that) then it will have at least some minor revisions. Either that or we start doing something like swap-meets to check against different versions as a group effort (unless anyone thinks that a concentrated campaign on the All Things Palladium Books section might garner a response from Wayne or Alex, I am willing to start it, probably with a similar post to what I started this one with). |
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 7, 2014 10:02:00 GMT
I think it's a great idea. I just can't really contribute because my Rifts collection is nowhere near complete, and even if it was, I don't have multiple versions of the books.
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 7, 2014 14:00:17 GMT
Well I should be useful for a baseline anyway. Every book but my RMB is first printing and even my RMB is only 3rd.
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Post by joshuagoliath on Jan 7, 2014 19:25:46 GMT
What about consolidation of changes between rmb and rue?
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 8, 2014 3:12:03 GMT
Question, pertaining to CS War Campaign. For those that have 5th Printing, is the CS ranger the only one to get bonuses
CS Ranger OCC bonuses are:
+3D6+10 SDC
+1D4 PS
+1D4 PE
+1 Iniative
+3 on Perception Rolls
+2 to roll with impact
+2 to save vs poison and disease
+10% to save vs Coma/Death
and +1 to save vs Horror Factor at levels 2, 4, 6, 9, 12, & 15
Do all of the OOCs have similar, or.... seemingly for no reason, just the Ranger?
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Post by 13eowulf on Jan 8, 2014 4:02:10 GMT
Question, pertaining to CS War Campaign. For those that have 5th Printing, is the CS ranger the only one to get bonuses CS Ranger OCC bonuses are: +3D6+10 SDC +1D4 PS +1D4 PE +1 Iniative +3 on Perception Rolls +2 to roll with impact +2 to save vs poison and disease +10% to save vs Coma/Death and +1 to save vs Horror Factor at levels 2, 4, 6, 9, 12, & 15 Do all of the OOCs have similar, or.... seemingly for no reason, just the Ranger? I just quickly skimmed all the OCCs (and only the OCCs) to compare them: Pg 72 Commando OCC Bonuses were changed, the SDC bonus was doubled, and +2 initiative and +2 to perception were added Pg 73 HtH Commando was changed to match the RUE version, including removing reference to the Automatic Body Flip/Throw, even though it remains listed under the descriptions of special combat moves on page 72. Pg 87 Special Forces OCC has a 'OCC Bonuses section right before OCC skils that wasnt there before. +2 PS, +4D6+6 SDC, +2 PErception, +2 Disarm, +2 Save vs HF Pg 181 ISS Peacekeeper OCC Bonuses have additions to the previously existing OCC bonuses +4D6 SDC & +3 Perception Pg 183 ISS Specter OCC Bonuses have additions to the previously existing OCC bonuses +2D6 SDC, +1 ME & MA, & +4 Perception Pg 184 Intel Specter OCC Bonuses have additions to the previously existing OCC bonuses +2 Perception. +1D4 ME, +3D6 SDC Pg 188 NETSET Psi-HOund OCC Bonuses have +1 Perception added Pg 188 NETSET Protector OCC Bonuses have +2 Perception and +2D6 SDC added Pg 193 PRP/Psi-Net Agent OCC Bonuses have +3D6 SDC and +2 Perception added |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Jan 8, 2014 4:32:07 GMT
Wow. Thanks. that was a bit of work there. *Jots them on post-its to put in the book*
Great... now I gotta get the 'new' book. lol.
Well it'll go on the short list for next year's Grab bags. I've run out of 'holes' to fill more or less. So Now I'll be getting new versions of well used books. I've used CSWC alot. So I'll try and replace it/update it.
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Post by basara549 on Jan 13, 2014 5:33:32 GMT
Of course, one obvious means of comparison for those with only 1 of each book would be to compare the illegal PDFs using as early printings as possible, to real books of the latest printing as possible. Of course, the quality of the PDFs leaves a lot to be desired (they're almost as bad as AEG's legal PDF of "World's Largest Dungeon" from drivethruRPG  ) |
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Post by Sci-Fi on Nov 11, 2014 0:57:28 GMT
As a note, I got the new CWC. The changes are nice to have there.
As for comparing the illegal PDF's... the problem with that is, 99% of the Illegal PDF's out there are all the 'same'. I.E. Once someone has put out the illegal PDF, it's seldom you see a 'different' copy of that same book. Everyone just passes around the same copy. Only if it's REALLY bad might you see a 'different' illegal copy of a book.
I seem to remember after Traix 2 came out, someone went through and updated the traix OOCs for a rifter. Anyone remember the issue?
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Post by Jaymz on Nov 11, 2014 3:07:46 GMT
Yeah Braden Aten did IIRC. Not sure if the FotM index is that up to date yet though.
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